Pocket springs

Pocket springs are the foundation of high-quality mattresses and are a fundamental component that any mattress buyer should fully understand. The key thing to remember in this section is that pocket springs, types and counts should not be taken in isolation. Read on for all you need to know about pocket springs and why assessing their quality is essential to helping you find the right mattress.

Calico soft mattress spring

We have already detailed how cage sprung or open coil mattresses should be avoided at all costs. We have always advocated for high-quality handmade pocket sprung mattresses over mass produced bags of springs, but there’s still a minefield of information on pocket springs which we aim to summarise for you. There are numerous variables that have to be applied in order for you to come to the right decision as to which is best for you.

For instance, there is no use having a super duper all singing all dancing pocket spring unit when
1. You don’t actually need it or
2. It is not backed up by an element of substantial upholstery.

As you browse through the internet looking for your perfect mattress you will soon see that in most cases great swathes of text is focused on how good the pocket springs are in any particular model, the science behind the design and how you will sleep like a baby. All of this will be relatively pointless if equal space is not designated to the rest of the mattress, the upholstery, the detailing and so forth.

The fact of the matter is, a standard pocket sprung unit which forms the basis of many mattresses, will be suitable for practically everyone. It really is! They are not overly expensive and will offer you all the support you will require.

Where do the springs come from?

In the bulk of all mattresses, you will come up against the pocket sprung unit itself, which will be relatively similar. They are produced in this country in large factories such as Leggett and Platt, Charles Blythe and such like. There are also imports with the most regarded being Agro gmbh (Germany). Of course, there are Chinese imports but not to the degree to be overly concerned. In all my days I have come across samples but never came across a manufacturer who actually uses them. Currently, the most prolific imports of pocket sprung units come from Turkey and South Africa. Some manufacturers have the equipment and facility to produce their own springs such as Vi Spring/Harrisons and, of course, the manufacturer we use who makes our Artisan range all completely made in Britain.

Is there a need to be concerned where the spring is manufactured?

Not really! These form the basis of lower to mid-priced models and so you are tied to what you can get for the retail price asked. The basis of all spring manufacture is the wire used to make the actual spring and there are limited suppliers of this drawn wire and so assumption can be made that nearly all spring manufacturers will be purchasing from a limited supply chain.

The basics of pocket springs

These comments refer to widely available mass-produced pocket spring units. There may be exceptions to the rule but these will be discussed in the relevant section.

The spring counts

Pocket spring counts are always based on the number of springs in a king sized mattress: 150 x 200 / 5’0 x 6’6. Even when a single mattress is described as having 1000 pocket springs, for example, it won’t. It will have proportionately less. A super king sized mattress will have proportionately more. Some retailers have started to give the exact count of a particular size which throws a fly into the ointment when you are doing like for like comparisons. Always be aware of the count in a king sized mattress and you just can’t go wrong.

The least number of pocket springs you can get in a mattress is 600.

This level of spring count will be in starter or budget ranges of pocket sprung mattresses. This is a good example of the value of a pocket sprung unit, obviously, the retail price will be low but, the quality level of mattress will be significantly better than any mattress utilising an open coil or continuous coil retailing for a similar price.

The most pocket spring units you can get into a king sized mattress on one layer is 2000. Mattresses described as having more than this are utilising double layer construction techniques or they are utilising a suspension pocket sprung unit or they are using mini springs to increase the count. When looking at descriptions and you see a specification with more than 2000 pocket springs you really do have to examine how this was achieved.

As I have said in previous posts, the only differentiating factor between many mattress manufacturers are the springs used. Fundamentally, the springs will more often than not be similar but how they are constructed will provide enough difference to achieve the elusive brownie points that will sway you into thinking their product is somehow better than the competition.

Guide to pocket springs: A good thing to bear in mind that a 1000 / 1500 / 2000 pocket sprung unit will be broadly similar from about 90% of all manufacturers. It is what is placed on top of the units (upholstery) that makes the difference in Price and in quality.

Total spring counts come in usually at 600 / 800 / 1000 / 1200 / 1400 / 1500 / 2000 pockets per unit.

The lower spring counts will have a larger diameter spring – The higher spring counts will have a smaller diameter spring. One of the most prolific questions we get asked and abundant on internet forums is the “how many springs are best?”. Now although this is such a simple question the answer is not! The response to this question should always be followed up with “best for what?”

Best for Price?

If you are torn between two similar mattresses one open coil and one pocket sprung the pocket sprung mattress will win hands down! Like I said above, the minimum 600 pocket count is far superior to any open coil or continuous coil mattress you can get. It is so unlikely an open coil/continuous coil mattress will have a quality level of upholstery attached and all these fall within the low-end range of mattresses.

Best for you?

If you look at the complete range from Rest Assured, for example, you will see that the bulk of their mattresses utilise a 1400 pocket spring unit. This count will suit the majority of users not too firm and not too soft. A bigger person (such as my 20st Rugby Player friend) will gain more benefit from a 2000 unit. His weight will be equalised over a greater number of springs, The springs will not be fully compressed but allowed to ‘move’ with him. If he was on a 1000 pocket unit, for example, the weight is distributed over a lesser number of springs. Whereas our ten stone friend will be quite happy on 1000 pockets.

This is only half the story, though! The other difference between 1000 springs and 2000 springs is the tension of the spring itself. There is no hard or fast rule on what gauge wire is used on a particular spring count: A 2000 unit can utilise a firm spring say 1.5mm  or it can utilise a soft spring say 1.2mm.  And it is this reason alone why the question above cannot be answered with any degree of precision. It is so unlikely a retailer will know what gauge wire is used on any particular unit contained in a particular mattress.

Spunbond XR

Generally, though and this certainly does not apply in all cases manufacturers tend to go down the soft / medium/ firm route and use the firmer springs on the 1000 counts to softer springs on the 2000 counts. The theory being that 2000 pocket springs do not have to be as supportive as 1000. The support will be there, but spread out over a greater number of springs.

I know you are thinking now that if a 1000 spring unit is firm why would that suit our ten stone friend? Good point. The Firm spring unit only has 1000 springs and at a gauge of say 1.5mm. The 2000 spring unit at Soft will have a gauge of 1.2. This difference in spring gauge is fractional and nominal between two individual pockets. They will both compress easily under the pressure of your hands. As the number of springs increases as in a complete unit, it takes more pressure to compress them.

Tailored mattress spring gauges

There is light at the end of the tunnel. The comments above tend to apply to low to mid-range mattresses where the pocket sprung units are a ‘one size fits all’. But take the case of our Artisan Tailored pocket for example; on this particular model, our manufacturer gives us the option of using any spring gauge that can be tailored to the end users bodyweight.  Even our chap at 20 stone and the slip of a thing at 10 stone who needs to potentially eat more cake! The mattress still contains 2000 pockets but the gauge of the wire to make the pockets is increased or decreased  to suit the users weight.

All pocket springs are known as compression springs and can come in various shapes and sizes: the most common shape is the straight metal coil spring, having the same diameter for the entire length. Other configurations include ‘barrel’ types. It has to be said that the actual mechanics of each type of spring used will vary and will have various load deflection attributes for the user. Please read here for more on this with our discussion on spring mechanics.

Spring wire diameter explained

Spring wire diameter is sometimes shown on product descriptions, not to be confused with spring gauges. It shows you how thick the wire is for that spring unit. The thicker the spring wire the firmer the support you will get from it as it’s harder to compress. The gauge refers to the torsion, push-pull measurement which tells you how resilient/firm a mattress spring is. An example of this is an orthopedic mattress which has a gauge of 12 and is very firm.

We have a handy table that allows you to see the spring wire diameter we use in our range and the tension that the spring is set at. We also, unlike many competitors, allow you to see what the weight tolerance is for these springs. This is crucial when working out the support you need and we detail this more in the article on soft, medium & firm.

Spring TensionWire diameterWeight Range
Soft1.4mmUpto 10 stone
Medium1.6mm10-16 stone
Firm1.9mm16 stone plus

What are calico pocket springs?

Calico pocket springs are quite simply the highest quality spring you can get in a mattress. All the high-end manufacturers, such as Savoir beds, Vi-spring will use calico pocket springs in their top end ranges. Each spring is housed in a calico cover, this provides more flexibility than the synthetic spun bond counterparts meaning the springs can flex easily and breath more than cheaper pocket sprung units. The calico pocket springs are sewn together and are only attached to adjacent springs with lengths of twine stringing them together. This is always done by hand by a skilled craftsman. Our pocket springs are also made using a Vanadium compound like some of the high-end spring manufacturers.

Mattress Spring Hand Stitching 2

What’s a Vanadium pocket spring?

Vanadium is used in the steel forging process and provides strength to the metal which assists when it is then formed into a spring. It also has a low oxidisation value meaning it doesn’t corrode as quickly as other metals. We use Vanadium on our calico pocket springs that are found in the higher end Artisan models. Vanadium is often found in metal alloys and top end tools to give strength and durability against corrosion. It is used within our springs to ensure they are of the highest quality giving an enhanced lifespan and longevity. Most manufacturers couldn’t tell you what is in their spring wire, you will probably just get shrugged shoulders, but here at John Ryan, we can share with you the exact composition of our calico vanadium pocket springs.

Chemical Composition of Steel WireCMnSiPSCuV (Vanadium)
Percentage Contained0.710.54180.120.0140.1900.5/0.9

Summary

If you’re wanting the best of the best you need to be looking for calico pocket springs. If your budget constraints you, a spun bond pocket spring unit with at least 1000 pocket springs per kingsize will get you a mid range mattress. There is also a post on this site about the anomalies of soft medium or firm mattresses. Worth a read particularly if you are struggling with how on earth a mattress can be described as such.  If you have different body weights we can create split tension mattress or zip and link beds which can be tailored specifically to your weight.

Lastly, if you want to get really informed on the details of pocket springs and the different tiers, gauges and latest developments read our detailed arguments here. To help start off by viewing some of the best handmade mattresses here in our shop where we only use the highest quality pocket springs and coverings. Still struggling? Then why not call our small expert team based here in Manchester on 0161 945 3757 to see if we can help?

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  • Luke says:

    Hi John,
    I’m very interested in the Origins 2000, but have heard that too many pocket springs can be a disadvantage in terms of durability due to their smaller relative size meaning that they are more susceptible to becoming damaged or wearing out more quickly. Can you give your opinion on this?

    I’m very grateful for your clear and no-nonsense approach to selling mattresses! I just wonder if I’d be better off with an equivalent grade mattress with a lower spring count (such as the Origins 1500) as I really don’t want to have to buy another mattress 5 years down the line because of spring failure!
    Many thanks, Luke

    Hi Luke,
    Whoever told you that too many pocket springs are a disadvantage is talking out of their hat. True, the springs will obviously be smaller in diameter and not that much thinner, but the individual support will be greater. Consider a bowling ball on your mattress; On a 1000 pocket springs the ball will be supported by say 10 springs with the centre of the ball (the pressure point) depressing about 4 springs to support the weight. The remaining 6 springs will be aiding the support – but not used fully. The same ball on a 2000 pocket spring unit will be supported by 20 springs with the pressure point utilising 8 springs – but as the weight is shared more equally the depression of the pressure point will be much less.

    Incidentally, There is only one way that pocket springs can become damaged and that is when the seams on the pocket [containing the] spring come apart / separates. This situation happening naturally is rare. It is usually found that the mattress has been severely bent or used as a trampoline (kids eh?)
    Thanks for your comments Luke, and good question. John.

  • Sheila Vango says:

    I have recently bought a pocket sprung (1000) matress with memory foam and dismayed to find it has already (6 weeks) settled into two distinct sleeping shapes (and I have turned it). Is this normal? and if so why?
    Hi Sheila, No, it’s not normal. How much did you pay? Have you tried to return it?
    Ryan and I do not sell memory foam mattresses – the advertising and hype has just gone completely out of control. If you are considering this type of mattress you really do have to understand exsactly what you are buying – and more importantly understand what you are being sold. Please read the Memory Foam posts elsewhere on this site. John

  • John Curtis says:

    I bought a Staples super king size pocket spring mattress from Dreams last September – not cheap, about £900 within a very short time two body shapes appeared – normal settlement said Dreams. Despite rotating as per recommendation sleeping shapes became deeper. Normal said “independent” inspector supplied by Dreams. We not very happy and body shapes in mattress do not make it very comfortable. We’re not excessivle heavy, 13st & 11st. Where can I go from here? I wish I had found your site before – if I could get a refund I’d buy from you – you seem to know what you are talking about.
    Hi John. Sorry to hear this. Can you please add further details of the mattress model.
    Indents and settlement are always visibly more pronounced on Superking mattresses for the simple reason that you are not using the entire surface and it does take time to settle evenly Read Article. Believe it or not, mattress faults are rare! The most common reasons for premature indentations can be put down to three main posibilities 1. The ommision of a component layer – usually the ‘support’ layer above the spring unit or 2. A faulty spring unit or 3. A design flaw.
    The manufacturer you mention has a very high pedigree and it would be unlikely that a design flaw was the reason. I am guessing that for the price you paid the primary comfort layer on your mattress would be more than polyester or wool – as you say – you rotate the mattress (not turn) indicates it is one sided – perhaps latex? If so, then I’m perplexed and if dips are present with a latex comfort layer then my hunch would be a faulty spring unit. As it is pocket sprung the posibilities of spring units being faulty are relatively rare – it is never the spring itself failing but the fabric pocket that contains it -. These ‘pockets’ are either glued and/or heat welded together to make the complete unit and undue force can cause these ‘pockets’ to tear or separate [Hence the Do Not Bend warning – and do not allow kids to use the matt as a trampoline advice].
    Being a Superking I would imagine delivery into your home was a nightmare. Not many hallways / stairwells can accommodate the delivery of a mattress this size with ease, and if the delivery men had to ‘force’ it round a sharp bend or ‘squeeze’ it beneath an overhang on your stairs then the posibility of the spring unit being damaged as described above would be my initial inkling as to what may be wrong.
    Let me know how this gets sorted via the comments section on the Settlement and Indents page. John.

  • Angela Ririe says:

    Hi John 


    Firstly thank you for the very informative and well put together website. After a number of trips to various mattress shops and a lot of searching on the net I came across your site by chance – what a pleasure to find somewhere that has a small selection and good explanations of what you are buying as opposed to a confusing and complicated selection of options and marketing jargon.

    I am trying to decide between the Origins Pocket 2000 Kingsize and the Origins Pocket Latex 1500. I am 182cm tall and weigh about 70kg. At the moment I live alone so the mattress is just for me. Generally I prefer a relatively firm mattress. They both sound good and are similarly priced so I am not sure which to choose?
    Kind regards. Angela.
    Hi Angela. These two matts are completely different in construction and so the decision will have to be based on what comfort layer will suit you best – either latex or polyester/wool. The spring count difference 1500 or 2000 is nominal and because of your light bodyweight it will be unlikely you will be utilising the springs to their full. With the Origins Latex you will be getting additional support from the latex but it will also be cradling using only what it needs to – but also exceptionally comfortable. The Origins 2000 has the support but the primary layers are polyester topped with wool. Comfortable – but without the extra support that the latex offers. With you preferring a relatively firm mattress then I think the Latex 1500 ticks all your boxes. Hope this helps. John.

  • Lesley says:

    I have found your website really informative John, and was particularly interested in your information on Harrison beds. I bought an ‘almost top of the range’ Harrison pocket sprung (4000 spring medium tension mattress with 1000 spring base) and have been trying unsuccessfully to sleep on it for the past 3 weeks. I have a lower back problem and find many beds too firm for my muscles to relax. I have had a bit of a love affair with Slumberland (open coil) beds until now but was informed by my local store that they are not what they used to be after a take over. We thought we would treat ourselves to a new luxury bed, but I have been awake for hours each night and taken loads of painkillers. So now we are thinking of putting the Harrison into the spare room and replacing it for ourselves. Any suggestions about which bed would be closest to our Slumberland Gold Seal of a few years ago?
    Hi Lesley. I’m seriously perplexed as to why you find the Harrisons too firm and then say you prefer the SL open coil. To me that sounds the same as someone preferring beefburger to Steak. But, I do accept that this can really be someones preference. In fact one of my customers exchanged a pocket sprung mattress (hated it) for a much cheaper open coil mattress that I was embarresed to sell and yet she loved it.
    To consign the Harrisons bed to the spare room seems such a waste but the fact that it is now three weeks down the line and you still havn’t got used to it means it will never be.
    My last ditch attempt – whilst looking for an alternative mattress (which should not be rushed) buy a mattress topper to tweak the mattress to the comfort level just right for you. Dunelm Mill do a lovely feather and down topper for around £40. I would say that this (beneath the protector) will soften the top up just enough to take the edge off the firmness but still utilising the support. Hopefully, this will help. Please feel free to phone me and we can go through the alternatives. John.

  • Tijana says:

    Hello,
    I was wondering if you could please advise? I am agonising over mattress choice for months now. I loved Vi-Spring but decided it was too expensive and am now trying to choose between Somnus and Harrison. Someone recommended Somnus but when I tried it (had only 5000 spring one in showroom though I would buy a 3000 one) didn’t quite feel right. The medium support felt too firm for me (have a low back and pelvic problem) and my husband found the firm one too soft. We then tried a Harrison one with 3,500 springs and it felt better for both of us, but I am now worried whether it will be too soft in the long run (felt softer than the Somnus one). We have also liked a John Lewis Premier I mattress which is also around 3,000 springs and apparently the same as a Harrison mattress.
    I am now torn between Harrison and Somnus as I have had quite a strong recommendation for that and it seems a successful brand.
    Please help! Thanks.
    Hi Tijana, To be quite frank, the manufacturers you mention – Vi-Spring, Somnus and Harrison all fall into the same quality stable. Harrison and Somnus are in fact the same family business with Somnus being the posher and Harrison the more mainstream. You don’t mention any model names so I am unable to verbally disect them for comparison. There is also Spink and Edgar (same Harrison family) who are now in the running as offering the most pocket springs in a mattress – with The Empire having over 21.000!!
    When you are looking at mattresses of this pedigree, and as you have so eloquently pointed out, firmness levels cannot really be placed on any particular model (although it is done). Your husband finding the so called firm one – too soft, clearly illustrates this anomoly in categorising firmness levels of natural fibre matts.
    As for which one would be best for you, I would suggest for the first stage you disregard the manufacturer and concentrate on the reasons why you find the mattress comfortable. Then break down the components and then do your comparisons with like for like models. Bear in mind that spring counts over 2000 particularly from the Harrisons family utilise layers of mini springs above/below the main unit. Once you have found out what the spring layout is then the all important wadding layers have to be detailed to ensure you are getting the maximum amount of filling you posibly can.
    Long term (longevity), mattresses of this calibre are built to be bedded in over time. The tension you feel when they are new will most definitely not be the same some years down the line. Always work on the principle that they will become softer – and incidentally, this principle should be used on all mattresses – exactly like breaking in a new pair of shoes. This is one reason why trying a mattress out in a shop can only give you a general idea of comfort levels.
    Finally, Harrisons et al, do manufacture for John Lewis -and although the specifications may look similar for a lower price, they invariably have some differences between the similar models – ask as many questions as you can to differentiate between models. Hope this helps, and let me know what you choose. John.

  • Sam Lister says:

    Hi – I was hoping for your advice – I am looking at your Origins 2000 king zip and link bed but have also stumbled across a cancelled order Harrison 4000 pocket sprung zip and link for the same price – A bit chheky but what would you do???
    Such a helpful website – many thanks Sam
    Hi Sam, I am aware of the model you mention and I shall be looking into this a bit further in the new year. Too many ‘cancelled orders’ for my liking and I wonder what the real reason is! Please give me a call to discuss. John

  • Damian Carter says:

    I have been agonising over a matress for many weeks now to the point where our old one is shot.
    I have largely looked at Milbrook ranges and have been taken by their planets collection as well as their Lavender available thorugh ****.

    I would appreciate advice on the different fiilings. I always thought the top price bed would have the best fillings but for example the neptune has similar fillings to the Jupiter yet the Saturn that has less springs has Latex. Can I have your thoughts and also whetheer you have something comparable. My wife and I both prefer medium firm or firm beds.
    Many Thanks. Mr D. Carter.
    Hi Damian, Good questions. Your stumbling block is the fact that you cannot do adequate comparisons because the actual specifications of each mattress are just not available! Just because a mattress states that it contains opulent fillings such as cotton and Pashmina begs the question OK, How much cotton does it contain? and more to the point – how much Pashmina wool? Once we can establish this simple little detail you will be in a better position to do an actual and realistic comparison from every manufacturer and retailer.
    Ryan and I always draw upon the analogy of beefburger ingredients – it wasn’t that long ago when meat content by percentage did not have to be stated. The way to now find out which burger has the highest meat content is to look on the list of ingredients and therefore make an informed choice as to which one you would be happy with. Mattresses should also have a list of components by weight and so your choice would be simple and straightforward.
    As for can we do anything similar? – Yes, of course we can. But can you tell us what you want us to provide? Unlikely. The information you need to do so is not there. Give us a call and we can do our best. John and Ryan.

  • Brian Aplin says:

    I am currently living in the Algarve, and we are looking for a new pocket spring mattress (king size). Unfortunately the choice here is pretty poor and prices very high. We have seen two which I would like your views on, plus whether you have a comparable mattress in your range;
    Pocket Spring Bed Co – Malham – (costs here €1850)
    Relyon Bedstead Luxury 1360 (I think this is discontinued) – (€1320)
    From the brochure/web site they seem similar, but not much detail on weights of filling etc. If you can reduce our confusion I’d be grateful.

    Hi Brian, As we have said countless times throughout this site you will not find the details you require because manufacturers [with the exception of Vi-Spring to some extent] purposefully do not want you to know!

    What would happen if these essential details you are requesting were openly published?
    Firstly, the hundreds and hundreds of mattresses on offer in shops and online would be so easily comparable that many manufacturers would go bust because you will soon come to realise that many are identicle bar name and fabric.

    Lets look at the description available for the two matts you mention;

    Spec for PSBC – Malham:
    1600 pocketed spring unit
    fillings include Natural Cotton, Lambswool and Horsehair.
    2 rows hand side stitching

    Spec for Relyon Bedstead Luxury:
    • 1360 in a (5ft) mattress
    • Regular Turn
    • Lambswool
    • Reflex Foam
    • White Fibre
    • Felt Tufts
    • Handles and Vents
    • 2 Rows of Hand Side Stitching

    You say they seem similar, but the only similarity is that they are both white and they both ‘contain’ lambswool. The Malham fillings – Natural Cotton, lambswool are blended (no bad thing) but the very least you should know is what the total weight of the blend is. Is it a paltry 1000gsm or an impressive 2500gsm? In an ideal world you really should know the balance of the blend is as well – is there a 50/50 mix? Is there a 5% content of expensive cotton and 95% of less expensive wool? Is the horsehair blended in as well or is this a seperate layer? Bloody frustrating thats what it is!

    As for Relyon. Again no indication of any weight but at least you can see they are using progressive layers. Springs – Reflex Foam – White Fibre [which means polyester] and Lambswool. Practically identicle to my Origins 2000 at £455 (except for the 2 rows of hand side stitching – for now!).

    People like you should be phoning up the manufacturers and asking them what EXACTLY are these fundamental details. How much Cotton? How much Lambswool? Is it two sided? What is the support layer? How does that work? Why not woolen tufts instead of felt tufts for the money you are asking me to pay? What weight is the so called White Fibre? How much Reflex Foam? What insulator is used? Nine times out of ten the person you speak to wont even know themselves.

    How anyone can make such a significant purchase on the strength of well crafted superlatives is really beyond me. I was speaking to a manufacturer recently and he told me of a case where a mattress that “contained wool” referred to the woolen tufts!

    Don’t be scared of asking these important questions and if the manufacturer can’t answer them satisafactorily, then go elsewhere. And what exactly is Natural Cotton?
    Keep in touch. John and Ryan.

  • Brian Aplin says:

    Hi John/Ryan
    Thanks for the advice. You were right, the assistants in the two stores did not have any answers to the questions, and were not real helpful in offering to find out. One of them confused the issue even further by offering another 1600 spring mattress, the Durabed Cambridge (any good?). I could not see from your list who owns them. One also brought up another confusing term – “seasonal turn mattress”(?). Also, I have seen on the net a Millbrook Royal 3000 for £720 is this a contender and what is the top spring count in your range? Keep up the good work, at last a site with a bit more than just “puff”.

    Hi Brian. Durabed? probably Durabeds, not sure of the fillings.
    Seasonal turn is usually a memory foam mattress with polyester on the underside.
    As for The Millbrook 3000?
    Specs
    4 rows of traditional hand stitching to borders
    Hypo allergenic interliner,
    Layer of soft lambswool,
    Layer of resilient polyester,
    Sumptuous layers of silk/wool/cashmere,

    On the face of it, it sounds good for £750 considering all those sumptious layers, so a bit more investigation is required by you and therefore a call to Millbrook is once again required:
    3000 pocket springs ? Not really posible to have more than 2000 on a Kingsize layer so I would question what these consist of EXACTLY.
    Hypo Allergenic interliner? – every decent mattress should have this most basic component.
    Layer of soft Lambswool? – Needs the weight (I would guess it would be 300gsm.)
    Layer of polyester?Need to find out how much
    LAYERS (more than one?)
    Sumptious layers Silk, Wool, Cashmere..?Layers .. indicates more than one. Now this would be really interesting to see exactly what this consists of!

    Finally. Why dont you just buy The Artisan Naturals from me and get it over and done with? Let me know what you decide. John and Ryan.

  • Brian Aplin says:

    Hi John/Ryan
    sounds good to me, and reading the spec. you seem very proud of the product. However, just one question – does your excellent money back guarantee extend to us living in Portugal? Pretty obviously you would not deliver here, but I can get one way transport for about £30 from anywhere in UK. If you are prepared to pay one way, in the event that we don’t get on with the mattress, we’ll pay the return.What do you think. For info, I weigh 70k and my wife weighs 56k. Is this medium firmness?
    Thanks for all the help, sorry to keep going on, but it is a big purchase and I’d like it to be right.
    Hi Brian. We are indeed proud of all our mattresses as our feedback can help to affirm. The Artisan 1200 (which actually has 1360 of the ‘absolute finest’ calico encased pocket springs you can get) knocks spots off all the mattresses you enquired about below. When people such as yourself asks for advice on a particular product we give our opinion the best we can without actually knocking or deriding the product. That is why we ask you to check for yourself the build quality and component weights of the mattresses that you mention. Only in this way will you see that when you compare them to our collection the differences in quailty of build alone becomes only too apparant.

    The Artisan is our current top of range. We stake our hard earned reputation on this model by saying you just cannot get a better mattress for your money. The springs alone, because they are calico encased, hand nested and hand formed will be placed and utilised to suit your exact weight requirements – softer for your wife’s bodyweight, and slightly firmer for yours. This is not an off the peg mattress and is as close as bespoke as you can get without paying astronomical and silly prices for it.

    As for paying the delivery? Absolutely!
    Like you say we are exceptionally proud of this model and we put our money and again our reputation where our mouths are. Ryan and I believe that everyone should have this particular mattress (built specifically for them) which really would put an end to the myriad of complaints we all read about so called brands who really should know better.

    So confident are we that you will love this particular mattress we will also pay the return delivery in the unlikely event our promises do not match your expectations.

    Ryan will mail you later on today to establish contact and if you wish we will go from there. John and Ryan.

  • Brian Aplin says:

    Hi John
    If you are that confident, we have nothing to lose!
    I wait for Ryan to mail me and we can sort the details. Thanks

    Hi Brian. Of course we are confident. But we want you to be confident in us as well. The description of The Artisan Naturals has been purposefully detailed to the extreme in order that you yourself can do some sort of basic comparisons to other similar models.

    Take the first model you enquired about: The PSBC Malham for 1850 Euros. The comparison to that one model alone as outlined below should give you the confidence that you will be getting a far superior mattress for less than half the price. And neither forget , you will not be getting an off the peg mattress. The Artisan will be built specifically for you and your wifes requirements without a hefty bespoke price.

    John.

  • Alecia Bland says:

    Hi there,

    I’ve found your website so helpful already and now have a question of my own.

    We are buying our first home after years in pre-furnished rental properties and we are prepared to invest in a good king size bed. On visiting friends we slept in their spare bed which was the best night’s sleep we’ve ever had. We were so impressed that we asked our friends the brand and model of the mattress and they informed us that it was a ‘Handmade Bed Company 3000’.

    At over £2000 unfortunately this mattress is out of our price range, but having read the information on your website I’m hopeful you can recommend something at a more reasonable price!

    Thanks for your help in advance! I’m sending your website around to everyone!
    Kind regards
    Alecia

    Hi Alecia. Thanks for the kind comments. The first thing your question goes a long way to
    enforce is the actual difference between a well made quality natural fibre mattress and one that has been mass produced. There really is no similarity.
    Ryan and I bang on at length that the minimum standard for springs for example should be pocket springs and not those awful cage springs or continuous coils springs that are sold as ‘beneficial’ in many mattresses. Unless you have actually tried the two – side by side – you will never know how different they actually are. The difference in comfort and quality is just as apparant as the difference you have experienced between a beautiful well made mattress and the ones you have probably been subjected to in your rental properties.

    However, this does not mean that you have to pay over the odds for this level of comfort. The compromises you may have to make to bring the price down for an equivalent model should not neccessarily be too many. Take the hand side stitching on the Handmade Bed Company 3000 model for example. That particular model has 4 rows – an expensive detail that if it were reduced to two rows would be quite sufficient for the job they perform but save you a considerable sum. I would assume the springs used are calico encased and not mass produced units, and therefore would be in the same league as our Artisan Naturals model so the level of quality on this further aspect would be in keeping. The use of 3000 in the HMBC (I am not particularly sure of the arrangement of their springs – 2 layers? can also be cut to a lower level without compromise (ours use 1360) and by way of acceptance that this is a satisfactory count, the bulk of all Vi-Spring models use less than 2000 pocket springs. Your bodyweights will dictate whether this is acceptable.


    Moving up from there, the important parts of the mattress and the parts that you found so comfortable is the quality of the wadding and upholstery. Comparing natural fibres to man made fibre is like chalk and cheese and therefore getting the best comfort layers to fit your budget is essential. HMBC, I note have used Pashmina as a layer (or blend) an expensive component but I would ask if the quantity used was of a considerable weight (gsm) to make a noticeable difference to the overall comfort level of the mattress when Lambswool at a greater weight would do just as good a job.

    This is too big a question to outline all the differences here, but it can be done and I am sure that Ryan and I can help you put together the mattress of your dreams without too much compromise.
    As an example of what we do. Our Artisan Naturals 1200 is the best mattress we have built able to be retailed at around the £800 mark. This low price does not detract from the actual quality of build and components. We have listed precisely how it has been made in order for you to do your own research and comparisons. However, the problem you will find is that many other manufacturers are not as open as we are, and therefore you will have to phone them direct to see what exactly is in their mattress.
    Feel free to call us direct on the number at the top of the page. This should not be a rushed purchase so the more homework and groundwork you do before you move will pay dividends at a later date. Many thanks. John and Ryan.

  • Tracey J says:

    Hi John & Ryan,
    My partner and I have decided to buy a new mattress to fit our slatted double base. We are researching what would be the best choice for us and the enormity of the facts and figures have left my head in a spin! Initially, we had considered a pocket sprung bed with a memory foam top layer but have now rejected that idea because it seems they are too hot. Now we have limited the search to a pocket sprung with natural materials and are favouring the range made by Harrison but have found them to be quite expensive.
    I just wondered if you have any recommendations regarding pocket sprung mattresses with similar qualities to those of the Harrison mattresses range (Harrison Tailor Turquoise, Harrison Appleton and Harrison Platinum Express 3000)?
    If there is any further info you might need before making a recommendation please get in touch.
    Many thanks.

    Hi Tracy. I’m sure Harrison’s are quite capable of explaining the differences between the three models you mention above more than we and it’s a pity that these fundamental details are not published to save you phoning the manufacturer direct to ask. If it were me I would ask them to tell me how much upholstery of each type per square meter they have put in each matress rather than telling me – at repetitive length, how many springs are in each mattress. Surely after 4000 springs have been placed there can’t be much room left for comfort layers! Something has to give. I wonder what?

    If you are looking for Natural fillings with the best calico encased pocket springs then take a look at our Artisan Naturals. This has 3700gsm upholstery on both sides of the mattress. Feel free to ask Harrisons what models they have with upholstery that compares to this. Of course their Revolution springs will not be able to be compared as they are exclusive (in this country) to them. Is the Revolution any better than calico encased? I would say No. Vi-Spring would say No. Savoir Beds would say No.

    In order for you to get the best for your money you have to know what exactly you are spending your money on. And at the risk of [me] becoming repetitive, a list of cashmere, cotton and wool just will not do. You have to know how much of each is in your mattress. Only when you have this information will you be able to make an educated and informed purchase.
    John and Ryan.

  • James P says:

    Hello,

    Looking at a Harrison Turquoise 4000 (1000 of which are in base which we don’t want as we’ve a new quality sprung slat base already).. so of the 3000 spring count we’ve got ‘spring in spring’ (SIS) and some HD mini springs laid on top (and bottom as it’s a turnable bed). Accoring to the Spinks Springs page there are equivalent of 2000 HD springs in a King size sheet (they are just selling the components)..
    If there are 2000 springs then that’s 4000 before we’ve even done the sis’s..

    So in short, just how many springs are there (not counting SIS as doubles) or is the 3000 count an equivalent of how it feels.. confused!!
    James

    Hi James. Lets work this out. This is the official description:

    With a total of 4000 pocket springs, 3000 Revolution and HD system in the mattress and 1000 pocket springs in the True Edge base, the Turquoise is designed to contour naturally with the curves of the body. A rich blend of wool, cotton and mohair together with a layer of natural Hempure makes this bed so comfortable. Thoughtfully arranged, with a wool blend to form a warm for winter side and the crispness of natural cotton on the cool for summer side.

    Finished with double side stitching which prevents you from rolling out of bed and the mattress sides collapsing, four handles to assist with turning and vents to allow the mattress to breathe.

    What we glean for the mattress: ..

    3000 Revolution and HD system.
    blend of wool, cotton and mohair
    a layer of natural Hempure
    wool blend to form a warm for winter side
    natural cotton on the cool for summer side.
    Finished with double side stitching
    four handles
    vents

    The questions you should be asking:
    Breakdown of springs. How many Revolution and how many HD
    Weight of upholstery used for winter side
    Weight of upholstery used for summer side
    Side stitching or Hand side stitched?

    Just having the answer to these simple questions would enable you to do adequate comparisons. Unfortunately, Harrison’s along with many others, fail to tell you this relevant stuff.

    When looking at any mattress, the only numbers you should be interested in is GSM [ Grams per Square Meter ] of Upholstery.
    Then look at The spring system.
    Then look at the price.
    Then everything else should fall into place.

    Keep in touch, and let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • James P says:

    Thanks for that.. Harrisons sometimes use hand side stitching and side stitching interchangeably, though curiously even on the super duper 100million springs mattress it doesn’t explicitly say hand side stitching (they have a picture of someone hand side stitching on another page).. More curious still the only ones it does explicitly refer to as hand side stitched (interchangeably) are the Ortho Tailor range and the cheapo Express range (which are vacuum packed in a roll).

    I find the explanations they’ve offered re the spring counts highly unsatisfactory and am very disappointed at the ridiculous answers they’ve given when I’ve phoned>> i can’t believe that they don’t know how many springs in their own mattresses.. and the explanation given by the sales lady that the hd springs are sandwiched inbetween normal pocket springs utterly ridiculous. (it’s not true as a subsequent called discovered). However, the second call (after sales) got through to a guy who said that the HD sheet was on only one side of the mattress, and that on the reverse side you simply lay on the 1435 pocket springs (not pockets, springs.. 1 in 3 are revolution springs, so it’s about 1,100 pockets). If this is true it is certainly not mentioned in the brochures so to me they’ve got two choices.. 1) their staff are woefully misinformed about their products and their marketing is not misleading or 2) the staff or generally misinformed and their marketing is misleading and illegal. I wonder what the ASA would say about their literature.. they’d get a straight answer at least.

    So in short, either way it’s not great.. and neither explanation works. 2000 springs in a HD sheet and 1000 in a Posturful sheet (approximations)..If the one side only explanation is true then how does it explain the fact that the next mattress up has a spring count 500 springs higher?

    In the end i come away feeling confused and cheated and all this could be sorted by clear marketing and someone on the end of the phone who knows what they’re talking about!.. how sad.. nevermind.

    Hi James. What more can we say. On our home page we say that buying a mattress is easy – If you know what to look for, and know the right questions to ask. As you are slowly finding out, this, in the majority of cases is a lot easier said than done. John and Ryan.

  • James P says:

    to clarify.. when i say.. “sometimes use side stitching, sometimes hand side stitching” im referring to their wordiing, not their construction.. I have no idea what their contruction methods are at all!

    To add to that.. this Harrison’s brochure suggests that it’s perfectly possible to have a sheet either side of the main layers of pocket springs within the spring count..http://www.barrowclark.com/Downloads/Harrison%20Beds.pdf
    Seriously.. it’s ridiculous. Sorry to keep banging on about this!

    Hi James. Your previous post is quite explanatory. I would be quite taken aback if any of their models were machine stitched, particularly their Performance Collection Range. So I am assuming they do mean hand side stitched rather than machine side stitched but It is a question worth asking just to be sure. John and Ryan

  • Ian says:

    Hi,
    I need some advice. I am shopping for a kingsize bed. Found a mattres Breasley Flexcell pocket 1600 (1600 pocket springs and 75mm memory foam, but only on one side hence ‘non-turn’). But the mrs wants a Joseph Wales wooden bedstead which comes with either sprung or solid slats. I read that pocket spring mattresses are not compatible with slatted beds as the mattress may be damaged due to the gaps between slats. Is this true? If the Flexcell is not compatible with the bedstead, do you have a similar mattress which can be used on a slatted bed?

    Many thanks.
    Ian

    Hi Ian. Pocket springs ideally like a flat cushioned surface. However, this does not mean that they can’t be used on slatted bed frames. Personally I would opt for the solid slats to keep the mattress flat. Adding a mattress pad of your own [a cheap duvet or blanket etc] to cushion the mattress from the slats and all should be fine.

    Finally, and particularly for the benefit of other readers, please take the time to read our own personal thoughts on Memory Foam Mattresses

    Hope this helps Ian, and please let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Tamara says:

    Hello.
    We are looking to buy a guest bed but have very narrow staircases that we will need to bend the mattress around to get it to the bedroom. We would like something firm but comfortable and not too expensive. Do you have any recommendations on what type of mattress we should buy?
    Thank you!
    Tamara

    Hi Tamara. Decently built mattresses will not bend and so dependant on the size you require I would think that a zip and link mattress would be an option. If budget is tight and taking into account your narrow staircase then it may be a consideration to look at vac packed mattresses. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • charles drummond says:

    Dear Sir, Whats your opinion of the Sealy 150cm matt pocket latex 2000.

    Hi Charles. You will notice throughout this site that we are never disengenuous towards another manufacturer or retailer. What we try to do is steer you towards the questions you should be asking in order to come to an informed and educated decision by yourself.

    For example, if we take The Sealy Pocket Latex 2000 as a mattress for your consideration you will need to know – What you are buying. The official description is as follows;
    Featuring a layer of super responsive latex this bed is big on comfort. With special air vents and micro quilted mattress, it keeps you at the optimum sleep temperature too.

    A medium firmness bed with special rebound technology, the Pocket Latex 2000 has a layer of Innergetic Latex, which gives ‘push back’ support and aiding optimal spinal alignment during sleep. Also helping you sleep well are two layers specially designed spring systems. The renowned Sealy Posturetech 660 distributes weight away from the heaviest part of the body and another layer of up to 1360 individually nested pocket springs that react independently to offer optimum support.

    This bed doesn’t just keep you comfy, with its specially designed air vents and plush micro-fibre mattress cover, it keeps you at the right sleep temperature all night long.

    Reading between the lines you will see that it is a one sided mattress consisting of two layers of springs and a layer of latex. That’s it. And that’s all you need to either keep it on your list for further consideration or disgard it.

    What you need to do now is find something similar to compare it to. For this example, I would ask you to consider our Origins Pocket Latex 1500 or 2000 (obviously which one will depend on your bodyweight) This has 6cm of talalay latex and 2cm of Reflex foam on top of the pocket springs.

    How much latex is used in The Sealy Pocket Latex 2000?
    This is where you will come a cropper because Sealy do not tell you this most crucial piece of information. When you come across stumbling blocks like this you really do have to phone Sealy Customer Services [016973 20342] and ask them for the relevant detail – What is the depth of latex used in the Sealy Pocket latex 2000? and just to satisfy my curiosity – What on earth are ‘Specially designed Air Vents? Hope this helps and please let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Eddie says:

    Hi lads, I’m looking to buy a 4′ 6″ double mattress from “life sleep” who are offering a memory foam mattress encased in a 13.5 gauge burrell sprung hand tufted and air vented mattress. Just wondering your thoughts on it as Ive never heard of Burrell sprung. They usually cost €629 but I have the chance of purchasing it on a special deal for €279. Help me please….. :-)
    Hi Eddie. We do appreciate that if your budget is limited you should still be looking for the best you can get. The ‘Burrell’ Spring you refer to, I think means 13.5g Bonnell Spring (open coil – not pockets) I had a quick scan for the item you mention and cannot find a double for the price you quote. Give us a few more details and I’ll have a quick look for you. John and Ryan.

  • Maria says:

    “It is worth double checking if you see a description of ‘Hand Nested’ pocket springs that they really are ‘Individually Hand Nested‘ and not a mass produced pocket sprung base (Nested). ”
    Apart from actually asking the question, is there any other way to check the pocket springs are hand nested?

    HI Maria. Good point. This is one of those instances where a descriptive wordplay is being used to make out something is better than it actually is. The correct definition of “Hand Nested Pocket Springs” and “Hand Formed Pocket Springs” is when the mattress manufacturer compiles the actual spring unit themselves “from scratch” utilising a great pile of individual rows of springs without the use of a machine. The bulk of mass produced pocket springs are already made up – nested and formed by machine (albeit with some hands being involved along the way) – by a spring manufacturer and delivered to the mattress manufacturer ready to be used.

    For a mattress manufacturer to state that their spring unit is “Individually hand nested” or “Hand Formed” implies to me that they themselves have formed and compiled the unit which of course gives the mattress an element of craftsmanship. However, it can be argued that somewhere down the line of spring manufacture – Someone- has indeed layered these springs by hand, even though this is as minimal as taking a row of springs from one machine and placing them in another to be glued together to make a complete unit.

    Hand nesting in its truest sense is done by the likes of Vi Spring or Savoir beds (and us in our Artisan Calico range) where each mattress is built from a ‘snake’ of springs upwards.

    It’s the implication that a particular mattress has ACTUALLY been hand formed and hand nested that is so fundamentally wrong. Once you know that over 90% of all mattresses utilise mass produced, machine formed and machine nested pocket springs you then see that some descriptions use this term to arguably suggest a particular mattress is built ‘better’ than any other.

    It may be pedantic, but the actual difference between Hand Nested and Nested is indeed vast. If the spring unit is compiled manually then it should quite rightly be referred to as Hand Nested. If the spring unit is compiled mainly by machine then it should be referred to as Nested. Incidentally, you can generally assume that any spring count above 1000 will be nested i.e the springs are closer together in a honeycomb pattern. Good question. John and Ryan.

  • Nick says:

    Hi John and Ryan,

    I have been a bit bowled over by the information on your website, it has transformed my awareness of what goes into a mattress and how little detail most retailers put in their descriptions.
    For instance, the Dorlux Bali, (which I was looking at because I had tried it in a store and it felt ok to me) describes it’s layers as: “Cashmere and wool fillings”. I now realise this tells me absolutely nothing about its composition..
    Knowing more as I do now, I believe I will have to raise my budget somewhat!
    I’m not too keen on having to ring manufacturers in order to wheedle details out of them, I’d prefer to shop with people who are upfront about their products and give enough information that I feel I can make an informed decision about them. On that note, I have a couple of questions!

    Looking at your Artisans Natural and Artisans Tailored, you say that the only difference is that the Natural has calico wrapped springs and the Tailored has polypropylene encased springs (although I also note that the numbers differ = 1360 vs 2000). Can you explain what the advantages are to the calico wrapped springs (and their lower number), especially considering that the fillings appear to be almost identical? Effectively, what makes the Natural worth £110 more than the Tailored, and why should we go for the more expensive option?

    Hi Nick. Good question. I am splitting your comment up into several parts as it is easier to answer the specifics without having to generalise. In this case, what you are are asking is “why should you be paying more for presumably less?”

    As you rightly point out, these two mattresses are identical – APART from the spring unit and yet the more expensive Artisan Naturals has a lower spring count (1396 as opposed to 2000).

    But look at the completely different construction of the springs. The Artisan Naturals utilises Calico encased pocket springs and The Tailored Pocket utilises Polypropylene encased pocket springs.

    Poly springs are a mass produced technique. A machine churns these out at a phenomenal rate and they are fixed together into mattress sized units by another machine. The units are glued together and the individual spring pockets are heat-welded together.

    Calico springs are sewn. Calico fabric (like sackcloth) aside from it being entirely natural is also extremely forgiving which enables each individual spring to react better to movement. Once the springs are made into the individual pockets, they have to be assembled into mattress side units by hand (Hand Formed). These rows of springs are not glued together but strung together to keep the springs together but also it enables the springs to be ENTIRELY independent of each other.

    The spring count of mass produced pocket springs can be up to 2000 in one layer and generally all in one tension (gauge). It’s the diameter of the springs that determines the spring count. The diameter of our Calico springs is 54mm which means that there is only enough room to accommodate 1396 springs. As a comparison, The Vi Spring Shetland uses 1720 Calico springs – but with a diameter of 48mm. Their Herald Superb has a spring count of 1476 but uses a greater diameter of spring at 51mm.

    Each manufacturer will determine what diameter spring to use in a particular mattress. There can be countless arguments raised as to whose spring is better, and why. Harrisons / Somnus / Spink and Edgar manufacture their own springs and even though they are not Calico encased, they too will argue that their spring system is better than Vi Springs (Their competitor). Savoir Beds also use traditional Hand Formed calico springs in all of their mattresses (similar to Vi Spring) They too, would argue that this method of pocket springing is the best. And as Vi Spring and Savoir are deemed to be the best UK manufacturers, it stands to reason that if these two manufacturing giants only use calico springs in their products then there has to be something behind it. Incidentally, despite what some descriptions might suggest, there are only less than five UK manufacturers who utilise calico encased, hand formed pocket springs in their products – Savoir Beds, Vi Spring, Us (Artisan Range),
    Burgess Beds (perhaps).

    Also, ,I’m aware that you do not have a showroom yourselves, but are you aware of any showrooms (in the Greater Manchester area) where I could try out mattresses of a similar feel/build quality to your Artisans range? I plan to visit Furniture Village as they have Vi Springs on sale (have yet to call to check that they are on display) and these seem to be what you compare yourselves against, but wondered if you knew of any others? (I realise that you argue that you can recommend the best mattress for us based on our needs, but I have a primitive need to test these things for myself!)
    Many thanks, Nick.

    If you can find mattresses of a similar build to ours – at a similar price – I would be so interested to see or hear about them. This ‘Primitive Need’ is understandable, there’s no two ways about it. It happens to be our stumbling block – How to convince somebody that once you know what to look for, it becomes all too apparent that YOU DO NOT NEED to try a mattress!

    If every manufacturer told you EXACTLY what was inside the mattress, you would spend your money on getting the best springs and the best upholstery your money could get you. It’s as simplistic as that. The reason why you are not being told this relevant information is that this is the only way you are able to tell one mattress apart from another.

    Let me give you this example: We say our Artisan Luxury Kingsize (£1395) is a BETTER build than the Vi Spring Herald Superb Kingsize (£2009 Furniture Village [13/05/12]). If you break down the Herald Superb, component by component, it becomes all too apparent where your money is going – and it’s not in the mattress – Read On:

    Springs: Similar construction: calico encased, hand formed units. HS: 1476 – Ours 1396
    Herald Superb Insulator: 1000 gsm Bonded Wool and Cotton
    Artisan Luxury Insulator: 500 gsm: Pure New Wool

    Herald Superb: 1200 gsm Horsehair
    Artisan Luxury: 1200 gsm Horsehair

    Artisan Luxury: 500 gsm Pure new Wool
    Artisan Luxury: 1200 gsm Horsehair

    Herald Superb: 1200 gsm Blended Wool and Cotton
    Artisan Luxury: 1200 gsm Blended Wool and Cotton

    Herald Superb: Two rows genuine Hand Side Stitching
    Artisan Luxury: two rows genuine Hand Side Stitching

    From this small example we have shown you that for £600 LESS than a Vi Spring equivalent we can give you a similar built mattress AND in addition we have added an EXTRA 1200 gsm of Horsehair (Know also that Horsehair is the best upholstery layer you can get – hence why you can only find it in premium mattresses).

    So why would you need to try it? Not only are you saving £600 on an equivalent model but you are also getting 1200 gsm MORE upholstery, and it’s not just any upholstery, it’s Horsehair! And what if we were to tell you that we too have a model IDENTICAL to The Baronet Superb (80 springs less) [The Artisan Superb] retailing at £1100 (Kingsize) – Would you still need to try it knowing full well that it has a current value of £2009?

    I appreciate that the above is a generalisation of one mattress, and understand you may have counter arguments and questions. But I do hope I have put into perspective the answer to your main question. Please feel free to add further comment – we would love to know what barriers potential customers are up against. John and Ryan

    Hi John & Ryan,

    Many thanks for your full response, I think I’m edging towards the Artisan Naturals – and my original budget is going up in flames!
    I am still not sure I understand the difference (in feel and comfort) between calico and poly wrapped springs, but as I can’t test a like-for-like waddings with calico springs vs the same waddings plus poly springs, I will probably err on the side of the calico just in case…

    Hi again Nick. The difference between calico and polyprop is worlds apart. To find a polyprop mattress that uses the same fillings as Vi Spring – also in the quantities they use as well is rather difficult. Our Artisan Tailored Pocket falls into this range as it becomes the most logical step downwards to fit a certain price point.

    I visited Furniture Village, Dreams and Bensons for Beds today, and Furniture Village had a good selection of Vi Springs on display. Effectively what I’m trying to do is test out mattresses which give as full a spec as you do so that I can compare directly. As you say, other manufacturers just don’t do this, and since I encountered your website, I am now ignoring them!

    Walking round these stores it is (now) fairly apparent which mattresses are well-made and which are not… Until I tried the Vi Springs, it was clear that I hadn’t tried a well-made mattress before! I looked at the Vi Springs Elite, Baronet Superb and Traditional Bedstead mattresses, and spoke to the advisor about them.

    What I really wanted to be able to do was feel the comfort level and relate them to the specifications – my aim was to then compare those specifications to yours as I am well aware that your mattresses are cheaper for a similar spec. I did find it very hard to tell the difference between them in the short time I spent in the store, but since they were all very comfortable I wasn’t really worried. The biggest difference wasn’t between the mattresses themselves but between the Firm and Medium tensions (they were mostly dual tensioned for comparison purposes).

    The spring tensions are .. should be .. matched up with your bodyweight. It seems logical that a 10 stone person will not require the support a 15 stone will require. The springs (support) should not be so firm it does not ‘give’ under the appropriate bodyweight, otherwise the ‘balancing on a board’ analogy prevails. Neither should it be so soft as to completely depress under the weight, thereby throwing your spine out of alignment. If the springs are capable to support the appropriate bodyweight, with just the right amount of give, to contour your weight, then that equals the right mattress for you. Upholstery really becomes secondary, as you are able to add more layers yourself in the form of mattress enhancers / toppers etc. Never assume that a particular mattress will have everything you require built in for the price you are willing to pay. There are occasions when it is actually better to get the basic support element and tweak it to your own personal requirements, particularly when budget becomes a stumbling block.

    Knowing what tension springs is capable of supplying the right support is crucial. Not many salespeople realise this and it is hard for them to steer you away from a mattress that you ‘think’ you like and usher you towards the mattress that would be more suitable for your needs. Using calico springs means that you have more options of getting the right support but also coupled with having a decent amount of upholstery usually associated with this level of mattress. Price obviously becomes the determining factor – the cheaper the mattress – the less it contains. So, understanding what the compromises are will enable you to make your choice based on getting the best support and also getting the most (premium) upholstery for your budget.

    I am getting an Ottoman bedstead with sprung slats, and the advisor said that I would be better off with the Traditional Bedstead mattress because the pocket springs were designed differently to work with the bedstead as opposed to the ones made for (Vi-Spring) divans. The Medium on the bedstead did feel firmer than the Medium on the divan, but I still wasn’t sure whether I preferred the Medium or Firm tension – it was hard to make up my mind. Without having experience of either tension in a good mattress at home, I’m not sure what I would prefer for long-term use.

    Now this is puzzling .. the advisor said that the pocket springs in the Vi Spring Bedstead Range were “.. designed differently” ? Taking the Traditional Bedstead as the example, the springs are 1.52mm with a diameter of 56mm. And yet, the Vi Spring Elite – not in the bedstead range also has a spring gauge of 1.52mm with a diameter of 56mm. Like I say ..puzzling, I wonder what this “special design” actually consists of? The only noticeable difference I can detect is the use of a wool spring protector pad directly on top of the springs (the spring insulator).

    I do hope you can pick up the sarcasm here! The VI (in Vi Spring) stands for 6 as in six turn relating to the springs. I cannot see any difference between the springs they use in the Bedstead range and the springs they use throughout their core range – aside from different gauges which will attribute to the firmness or softness of the spring, and the diameter of the springs, which again is similar to models in their core range. There is no difference as far as I can see in design of the actual spring.

    I do intend to buy a mattress from yourselves as I feel confident that your specs measure up well against Vi-Spring’s, but for a better price. My ruminations above are purely from a desire to actually see and feel a similarly designed mattress to your own, no matter if they are priced differently (still primitive!).

    I am 15st, 5ft 10 and I see from your chart that I could choose the Medium or Firm tensioning – I would appreciate your advice with which to choose? I tend to sit up in bed a lot – reading and watching TV – and I have been advised that I need a firmer mattress because of this – to prevent dips forming. I have made do with (what I now realise is) a very cheap coilsprung mattress for some years now, and the body indentations – even with regular turning – are obvious. It is rather firm and I can feel the springs sometimes, which is quite irritating, but I have survived on it for years so spending 3-4 times as much on a mattress is a little daunting, even if I am beginning to understand what the difference is between a cheap mattress and a good one.

    This also is puzzling. The Traditional Bedstead is a predominantly wool upholstered mattress. Wool, being a soft upholstery has no support elements whatsoever, and for the advisor to recommend this to you seems a little odd. At your bodyweight of 15 stone tells me that this will not have enough support qualities to suit your requirements.

    For your bodyweight of 15 st I would recco the ‘Medium’ spring. Particularly bearing in mind that you liked The Herald Superb which has a 1.42mm spring. Your reading in bed habit should be secondary to your sleeping position. It is absolutely correct that some sort of cushioning be applied to reduce the strain on one particular area of the mattress, but the all essential topper/ comforter will achieve this.

    Also, do you have any comment on the advice that the mattress needs to be designed differently for a divan or bedstead? The advisor at FV was pushing a £100 wool mattress pad to go over the slats, but I had in mind that elsewhere on the site you have advised to use a cheap duvet as padding, which seemed much more economical! Apart from that however, do you have any concerns about putting the Artisan Natural on a slatted base?

    I agree that slats should have some sort of cushioning. £100 for a mattress pad is quite excessive and I don’t think the wool ones they offered you have enough cushioning to do the job correctly. I still maintain the duvet or foam route is a good alternative. I have no concerns whatsoever about putting any of my mattresses on a slatted base – sprung or otherwise. Common sense has to prevail and as you are attempting to stop the slats digging into the upholstery, and to create a relatively flat surface, the more you can to do achieve this, the better.

    Many thanks for your advice, and great response (I have shown this to my family who were most impressed – although they think I am getting a bit obsessive over the amount of detail I am looking at in a mattress!)

    Nick

    PS, whilst Furniture Village had a fair selection of mattresses (obviously including the superior Vi-Springs) I was appalled at the range available at Dreams or Bensons – nothing in the same league! I have previously only visited stores with similar ranges, so the Vi-Springs were an eye-opener to what good mattresses really feel and look like!

    Obsessive? I think you have now realised what we set out to achieve. There is a world of difference between a good mattress and the rest. Like we said on your previous comment, Calico springs represent the very best foundation – that’s why only the best use them. Keep in touch. John and Ryan.

  • Eilidh says:

    Hi,
    I need a double mattress. I weigh 9 stone, plan to use it on a slatted frame and like a medium to firm support. I am interested in a pocket sprung mattress. Some of yours say they are not suitable for my weight. What would you recommend?
    Thank you

    Hi Eilidh. Mattresses for bodyweights of less than 11st are quite tricky to get right – hence the reason why we say some of our range is not suitable for you. Light bodyweights rely on the comfort and primary layers rather than the support.

    In the next two to three weeks we shall be adding a couple of mattresses based on the Vi Spring Coronet and The Vi Spring baronet Superb. The Coronet is built around a wool and cotton upholstery which we think will be ideal for you. The Baronet has a horsehair layer which adds an element of support within the upholstery. We have priced these quite favourably and we will email you once we have these particular similar models added to our range. John and Ryan.

  • les says:

    hi guys, i was wondering if you could advise my wife and i? after a disaster with a SEALY SYDNEY pillowtop kingsize bed, cost £1200 that we bought from Bensons, NEVER EVER GO THERE!!, which came with all sorts of promises, it turned out to be a nightmare due to it developing two huge indentations where we slept and a ridge down the middle, which ended up with my wife sleeping in any other free bed in our house and even the settee! after a lot of e-mails and phone conversations, some of them heated, i eventually secured a re-selection from Bensons,to the value of around £1,000, i have the choice of the following as i have to have another bed from them, so as i dont want to make the same mistake again, please help.

    Silentnight ENRICH luxury 2000
    Sensaform airflow 5000
    Dunlopillo FUSION ORTHO
    Relyon Savoy 2200
    Sealy posturepedic Firmrest.

    I prefer a firmer mattress but not very firm and my wife likes a slightly softer one, she likes the idea of the zip n link of the Relyon Savoy where we can have different firmness but i am concerned about the gap in the middle.
    I weigh 11 stone and prefer a bed that will be cool in summer/warm in winter.
    Next time i will definitely do more research and speak to you guys, many thanks.

    Hi Les. So sorry to hear of your dilemma with Bensons but this type of comment is quite common. I have just replied to Greg on the Contact page of a similar nature which you may find interesting.

    Firstly, I appreciate your dilemma, and I suppose having the chance to re-choose, albeit at a significant loss to you is better than nothing – but – it is still fundamentally wrong when you take into account the pre purchase promises made by Bensons. We made comment a long time ago on the flawed design of all pillowtop mattresses [Read Here] which leads me to point out that The Relyon Savoy you mention above is also based on this design and after your experience should indicate that this should be the very last of your considerations.

    I have tried to find the best option for you to exchange from their entire range and cannot bring myself to recommend anything – all I see is overpriced tat. Even trying to choose the best of a bad bunch is not only difficult but undermines everything we stand for. I know this leaves you in a poor position and at the mercy of BFB but there is nothing on their site that is actually worth the £1000 you have to spend. If they are prepared to give you change from the £1000 then I would get the cheapest mattress possible and re-invest but I think that is unlikely. I certainly wouldn’t give them the pleasure and spend over that amount.

    Even The Sealy Sydney at £969 (Kingsize) has been the cause of complaint from many of our readers. If you were to choose this model I would be inclined to supplement it with your own comfort layer (as in the form of a mattress enhancer) to stop the same thing happening again.

    I’m so sorry I cannot be of any great help to you but please feel free to call me direct if you want to talk through your final decision. John and Ryan.

  • Catherine Dare says:

    Hi there,
    Wow! What a find! Your website is so informative and comprehensive! I have been bed browsing for a couple of months now and didn’t realise is was such a minefield. I have been to a few shops and seem to have found what my comfort preference is. I wonder if you could give me some advice and tell me which of your beds you would recommend as they all look so well made and you really seem to know your stuff and are passionate about quality.

    I am only 5’2″ and weigh between 8 and 9 stone (depending on the time of year!) however I do really like a firmer bed. I also tend to lie on my side which I have been told should mean a softer mattress to allow my hip and shoulder to sink in however I also have joint hypermobility and if I sleep on a softer bed I wake up in pain.

    The two beds that seem most comfortable for me are:

    The John Lewis pocket ortho 1600 (the 1400 was too firm?? perhaps to do with the tufting top layer?) http://www.johnlewis.com/322501/Product.aspx It says its filling is materials from sustainable sources, including Airstream, a breathable polyester, recycled cotton, natural lambswool and blended silk and wool. Silver micro particles are also contained within the fabric finish which ensures a clean and fresh anti-allergenic sleeping environment! – £750

    Hi Catherine, I’m breaking up your questions as it makes it easier to answer each consideration separately. The crucial part to your enquiry is as you’ve pointed out is your extremely light weight coupled with your joint hypermobility (I am assuming this is the syndrome resulting in painful joints – please correct me) which contradicts the normal assumption that your requirements lead to a soft mattress – ? I personally think £750 for the kingsize is a bit overpriced considering the main bulk of the upholstery is Polyester in one form or another. I would personally steer you towards our Artisan Tailored Pocket as a similar build but far better buy for your money.

    The Millbrook Latex Supreme (1700 pocket springs) http://www.millbrookbeds.co.uk/Our-Products/Latex-Supreme-56.aspx (Furniture Village quoted £899) can’t find much more info on it bu it was definately the most comfy!
    I would agree that latex would be the ideal solution to your dilemma and I am pleased to hear you found this most comfortable. The particular model you mention uses just 3cm of latex whilst our Origins Pocket Latex uses 6cm of latex (£670. Kingsize)

    Today I have seen that John Lewis have the Classic Ortho 3 (1404 pocket springs) on Special Buy at £575. It says it is filled with sustainable sources, including luxurious and resilient cashmere and wool blend, polyester cotton blend and soft supaloft polyester for a firm and supportive sleeping environment. It is machine stiched though. I am tempted as I would save £200-300….

    You are NOT saving £200- £300, you are paying nearly £600. This was never ‘worth’ £800 or so. As we have pointed out several times throughout the site you need to know the actual weight of the components by GSM (Grams per Square Meter) The hook on this particular mattress is the ‘Cashmere and Wool blend – if it’s just 600 GSM then it’s not worth Jack. If you can find out the weight of this particular component you will be in a better position to see if it’s worth further consideration – I will also eat my hat if they will tell you this! Ask yourself why? I’m still recommending our Pocket Latex for your requirements.

    Earlier in a post from Eilidh on 15th May you said you would be adding a couple of mattresses based on the Vi Spring Coronet and The Vi Spring Baronet Superb which would be good for her as she is lighter. Are these of the firmer variety? Do you have any more info on these? Thanks very much in advance.

    Quite the opposite. The Coronet is predominantly wool based which is a soft component with no support properties (entirely there for comfort). The Baronet has a horsehair layer which is soft and supportive, coupled with bonded and blended layers of wool and cotton (soft not supportive). These are now in the final stages of production (along with a further ‘similar’ model – The Vi Spring Herald Superb) and will be on site in a couple of weeks. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Robert Goldsmith says:

    Hi :)

    First a huge thanks for a great site packed with detail and straight talking!

    I am on the hunt for an ~ £550 kingsize mattress and am having problems comparing your suspension product and the Harrison ‘Alder’. The Alder is currently available for ~£800 but we all know how this works and sooner rather than later it will drop into my budget range (the sales guy basically said so). Harrison seem to make a big thing about natural components and don’t even mention ‘white fibre’ in the product description but I’m wary of this after having read your site 😉

    In comparison, your suspension product opts for foam and polyester layers which at first glance (and following your advice) suggests a lower quality product.

    On the flip-side, I really would like to say thank you for the service you provide by buying from you rather than from a sales guy for a reseller and perpetuating the whole farce of sales and marketing spiel :) Your comments would be most useful to me.

    More generally and related to my consideration of a suspension spring product, I’m only 11 stone and so I would also be interested to know if you think I’d be better off with a standard pocket-spring product.
    Thank you in advance for your advice!

    Hi Robert. The difference between our Pocket Suspension and The Harrison’s Alder are worlds apart. The Harrison’s Alder being a more well built produced model. To say anything different would be completely ignorant and wrong.

    However, there is about £300 price difference between the two. Comparisons between the Alder and our Artisan Naturals – or even our Artisan Tailored Pocket – would be more beneficial to you and without a shadow of a doubt I would say both the models I mention would be far superior.

    To opt for a ‘standard’ pocket spring rather than calico encased is of course a reduction of quality. The only benefit is the lower price but this will equate to a reduction of comfort as the calico springs can be tailored precisely to your weight. John and Ryan.

    Thank you very much for your honest reply to my questions :) If the sales person isn’t fibbing then I expect the Harrison Alder to drop to around the £550 price similar to a sale last year where a friend of mine picked up an Appleton (which, I believe, the Alder replaces).

    I am afraid while I’d love to have the money for an Artisan mattress it is not realistic for me to spend over £600 and one of the Alder’s good points is the suspension spring system – a version of which, of course, you have with the Sequence Suspension. However, as I queried before (and I’m sorry if I was not clear in this) I would highly value your opinion on whether at 11stone I would really benefit from a suspension spring system or whether I should instead look for a single-layer pocket spring product with more comfort layers instead. I note that you mention suspension spring systems are most beneficial to heaver customers.

    You have also made numerous comments about new / additional products in the pipeline – I don’t suppose you could hint at all, could you? 😉

    Hi again Robert. Once again I doff my cap to Harrisons and openly acknowledge that their Revolution Spring in Spring suspension unit is far superior to our (or anyone elses ) Suspension unit.

    The critical and crucial part of this is can you really get The Adler Kingsize for <> £550 ? If you can then you have found a considerably better built and specced mattress than our, or indeed anyone elses offering. You have to bear in mind that the average retail price for this is in the £700 ball park and like I said, if this was the case then our Artisan Tailored Pocket becomes a viable comparison model.

    We are currently in the process of producing three equivalent like for like models of models from the Vi Spring range. For starters these will probably be The Herald Superb / Regal Superb and probably The Elite. Hopefully these should be online by end of July once we have confirmation of prices. John and Ryan.

  • Sue says:

    Hi guys

    I have spent a long time over the past few evenings trying to make my mind up as to what sort of mattress I should be buying and was wondering if you could advise a little. I am about 14stone but hoping to lose weight soon and I have a 4ft divan. I am looking for a new mattress and take your advise that I need a double sided mattress. I would I think prefer a pocket sprung type. However, I like a firm feel as I have a back problem that requires support more near my rib area. Do I need to buy an orthopaedic mattress or would the 2000 sprung mattress be ok for me? I appreciate any help.

    Hi Sue. In general Orthopaedic refers to an open coil construction, a build quality that Ryan and I do not subscribe to. There are instances whereby a pocket spring mattress is referred to as orthopaedic by use of a firm gauge wire for the springs.

    In any event, additional firmness can be gained by many measures. The spring tension is one way, and of course what you get can only be determined by your budget. As you mention The Origins 2000 I assume this to be a ball park figure for your budget and therefore I think this will be suitable for your requirements. Bear in mind also that the springs really do have to have some movement in relation to your bodyweight in order for them to function relative to their design. Please feel free to call us direct to discuss further. John and Ryan.

  • Bobbi says:

    Hi

    I’ve been scrolling thru all your blogs – you guys seem to know everything there is about beds! Very helpful. I’ve been offered a great deal on a Handmade Bed Company 3000 (cancelled order) but its still pricey. It felt amazing to lie on (albeit a few minutes) but I wondered if any of your mattresses would compare? We are about 10 & 13 stone and both tall. I like the idea of natural fibres rather than polyester – but can be convinced otherwise.

    Thanks for any advice you can give…
    Cheers

    Hi Bobbi. You failed to give the price of this great deal and so we are unable to know what (if anything) we could offer that would be better.

    Natural fibres are indeed better than polyester and there is no way that we would even attempt to convince you otherwise. Of course, natural fibres do come in at a price and so that may be where your choice starts and ends. John and Ryan.

  • Sharon says:

    Hi guys,
    Firstly, your website is fantastic and really informative, so thankyou for that.
    Hopefully you can give me some guidance.
    I am looking for a single mattress, I weigh between 8.5 and 9 stone and tend to sleep on my side.
    I am wondering whether to get the Origins Comfort, or pay a bit more and go for the Artisan Tailored Pocket. Would the Artisan be suitable for me do you think, or would it be very firm?
    Not that i want an especially soft mattress, but I want there to be some “give” in it.
    Look forward to hearing from you.

    Hi Sharon. I really would point you towards The Origins Comfort rather than anything else. For your light bodyweight it has the support and comfort. Although the Artisan range is better constructed I feel you will be paying out unnecessarily for components you don’t actually need or require.

    Recently, a reader posed an interesting question in relation to our Bespoke mattress which contains over 5 kg of upholstery per square meter. She questioned whether you can have too much upholstery in a mattress. And of course the answer is yes – if your bodyweight is so light it inhibits any movement of the spring support. For people of a light bodyweight such as yours, the support becomes secondary to the comfort layers. It really does not follow that the more you pay for a mattress equates to the best choice for you.

    It has to be said that this is just guidance. Just because you are of a light frame does not mean that you are confined to a polyester mattress. If your budget allows, you do have an option of a soft calico spring support (soft will be in the margins of 1.24mm – 1.30mm gauge wire) and if the upholstery is cotton and wool based this will give you a perfect mattress. Unfortunately we do not have a model with this build on our site yet but it would be worth your while checking out the Vi Spring [Soft tension] Traditional Bedstead mattress (not overly expensive) as a benchmark for your comparisons. John and Ryan.

    Thanks for the response John and Ryan.
    I have taken your advice and ordered the Origins Comfort.
    Looking forward to getting it!

    Good choice. You will not be disappointed. Please remember to leave some feedback (good or bad !!) after you give it a fair trial. John and Ryan.

  • Tony Wain says:

    Hello John and Ryan,
    First of all may I say how refreshing and useful it was to come across your wonderful website. My wife and I have a Silentnight Micracoil Latex bed that we bought about five years ago, and it now gives anything but silent nights, the base having become very noisy at the slightest movement. Also, the mattress is very uncomfortable, and I see from other commentators that we are not alone in this.

    We have looked at 4ft 6in beds and mattresses in a number of shops and, so far, we favour either a Sweet Dreams 2000 Pocket spring divan or a Shakespeare Rembrandt 1000 Pocket spring divan with 5cm foam.
    However, having read most of your extremely informative website, I wonder if your Origins Pocket Latex 1500 Double divan would meet our needs. I am 5ft 11ins, 12stone 4lb, and my wife is 5ft 3ins, about 11 stone. As has been said elsewhere, it is nearly impossible to be certain that a mattress will be comfortable in use after just a short while testing it in a shop, and I think that your no-quibble return/replacement policy is wonderful. I also note from a customer,s comments that this actually works with no hassle!

    Both of us have had lower back problems in the past and our currrent mattress also gives me aches in the hips. We would welcome your comments here when you can, and I feel sure that we will be contacting you before long

    Hi Tony. It’s always a good idea when starting any kind of research to see what the industry best can do and produce – this theory can apply to everything; Sound (Blaupunkt / Bose), Sofas (Duresta, Collins & Hayes) you get the picture? Only then will you ever know what compromises you will have to make in order to get what you want to fit your actual budget.

    In the case of mattresses, the industry leaders are Vi Spring, Savoir Beds, Marshall and Stewart, Hastens and … I struggle now to think of another who in my mind could be added to this group who dominate the top of the mattress pyramid for premium quality. The Vi Spring Majesty at Harrods retails around fifty grand thank you very much. Strip away the luxurious surroundings and break down the mattress piece by piece and it would not be hard to produce something similar for a fraction of the price. This is an extreme example but follow the logic through, say by starting at The Vi Spring Signatory mattress and working downwards.

    Sceptics will of course say, why should you look at these ranges if there is no possible way you could afford them? and I think that is where many people come unstuck. The other side of the coin is to approach it the other way – looking at mattresses you can easily afford (from the bottom upwards) and stopping your search when you hit your budgetary target. However, the logic behind approaching it the other way is that out of the four thousand or so mattresses out there, the bulk of these are (obviously) targeted to the mainstream market. Trying to sift through all the mattresses price ranged below £800 as an example would take you literally forever.

    Looking at your choices, you seem to currently favour the latex built models. It’s of no use me telling you that despite the relatively high price the actual quality of build of our Origins Pocket latex is amongst the best you can get because that is just our word and our opinion. You have to be able to draw these conclusions for yourself. This would be easily done if other manufacturers gave you the same intrinsic detail as we do.

    In this instance we give you all the comparable data you need to set yourself the challenge of finding better: We tell you the source of latex (Latexco) we tell you the actual blend quality (60/40) we tell you that Dunlopillo (the market leader in latex products) also use this latex company, we tell you that there are no fillers in this latex such as graphite, we tell you the amount we use (6cm) we tell you that it sits on an insulating layer of Reflex Foam (2cm). There’s not much else we can tell you to convince you that this is an excellent product – you have to assure yourself that what we say is true.

    Taking this one step further, I would find a Dunlopillo stockist to see if they have similar or better for the price we are asking. You will also be in the company of people who have presumably been well trained in their product and should be in a position to answer all your questions to back up, or indeed refute, what we say. Secondly, with the power of the internet it will not take you too long to see if you are able to get more for your money and so on.

    Hope this helps Tony. You failed to give me a budget to work against and so I can only work with what you say. Personally, I would be looking at The Artisan Naturals as a starter and move up rather than down – the quality of the spring unit alone in this particular model should put it into perspective. John and Ryan.

  • Sarah says:

    Hello,

    I am looking for a decent mattress on a budget and I was wondering if you could please help me? I weigh around 9 stone and sleep mostly on my side. I see that you recommend pocket sprung mattresses and I have been looking at this one: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6960089.htm but I’m a little worried by the ‘firm feel’ and lack of memory foam, but I am obviously very limited by price (and as I live outside of the UK my only choice is to order from Argos or Ikea….), I am also looking at a continious coil as it has a layer of memory foam: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6959564.htm The last one I am looking at is a little bit more expensive and I think I might be able to just about stretch if you think it would really be worth it, it is pocket sprung with a layer of memory foam: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/6959320.htm .

    I am so sorry to be sending you all of these options but to me this is a lot of money and I’d like to get the best I can for my price range. I would be incredibly grateful for any insight you could provide.

    Thank you for your wonderful blog!
    Sarah

    Hi Sarah. Good questions and we can fully understand your dilemma. The first thing to understand and accept is that there is no way that you will be able to get a ‘decent’ mattress for under £200. In our mind your choices would be greater if you were not tied to Argos as Mattressman have a double 1000 pocket sprung mattress for £179 (Sept 2012) at a far greater build quality than the ones you mention above. Or, Beds Direct have a Kozee 600 for £199 (Sept 2012) and so on ..

    Although mattresses within this limited price range cannot feasibly be deemed as a quality product, they do offer a stable foundation for you to adapt yourself to make them more comfortable. In this case I would be inclined to use the aforementioned mattress as the support element and purchase a separate memory foam topper / foam topper (I mention these as they are relatively inexpensive) and use these as additional comfort layers as it will be this element that will be sorely missing.

    Your concern about the firmness etc of any mattress within this price range is unfortunately of no real concern. The build can only be the spring unit (pocket sprung of any count is infinitely better than any open coil unit) with a insulator pad of sorts and a polyester comfort layer.

    As an alternative to a sprung unit, you may be wise to consider a foam mattress as the support which will be more forgiving than a sprung unit. The cheaper models (with a memory foam top) will be in the £170. ball park, but this too will require you to add your own additional comfort layer to improve the overall comfort level.

    Hope this helps Sarah. Please follow up and let us know what you decided upon and how you got on with it. John and Ryan.

  • rafa says:

    Hi guys thanks for the website and advice,

    I am 17.5st, 6ft2 and she is 10.5 st, 5ft8.

    After reading your website’s comments and advice and I think the following mattress would suit us;
    Super-king size at least 2000 pocket springs – Firmness: ‘Firm’.

    We both used to have back pain after sleeping in memory foam mattress (I guess it was probably too soft mattress) Could you please let us know if the above specifications of the mattress would be appropriate for us considering our weights and heights?

    If you can advise on how is determined the comfort of the mattress that will be appreciated.

    Also if you have some suggestion in terms of the mattress please let us know.
    Our budget is c. £400 to £600 (I am not sure is this is realistic)

    Many thanks !!
    Rafa

    Hi Rafa. A budget is a budget – If £600 is the limit then it is an easy job to see what that can get you. However, the tricky part is the weight difference. It becomes nigh on impossible for you to find a mattress that will suit both of you perfectly.

    Personally, in your case I would go down the mix and match route. This is where you should be looking for the two main elements of the mattress – SUPPORT and COMFORT separately. Our Superking Origins Reflex at £495 is cheap – but it represents a well built mattress for the price. However, by itself it will not be suitable for your weight. If you use this mattress as the support element – perfectly fine for both of you – you will have to add a further substantial additional layer by way of a topper in order to provide the comfort required for your lightweight wife and it will act as ultimate protection to the mattress from you.

    Your second option would have been The Origins Latex, equally so a topper would be required, but the substantial upholstery and associated pocket springs would have been more in keeping fpr your requirements.

    Putting a figure on your budget is a good indicator to see what you can realistically expect to get. Have a quick scan down the listings from the obvious contenders – Dreams / Bensons etc and see what £600 can get you in a Superking. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Richard Scott says:

    Hello chaps,

    Thanks for your very informative website. I hope you can help me: We recently refused delivery of a Millbrook Memory Ortho 1400 mattress as we couldn’t get it upstairs and, apparently, it wouldn’t bend as it was too firm, so to bend it may have been to damage it.

    I am now looking at less firm mattresses that we will be able to bend a bit, but I’m concerned about damaging it before we get to sleep on it!

    Currently I’m considering the Breasley Flexcell Pocket 1600 37degree. It’s identified on the website as being medium-firm. Are you able to advise on whether it would be ok to bend this mattress a bit to get it up the stairs?
    Many thanks, Richard.

    Hi Richard. Inadequate access is usually attributed to Superking mattresses and even though you did not mention the size I wonder if this holds true for you.

    To answer your question, The Breasley Flexcell range comes vacuum packed so access will certainly not be a problem.

    I must say that by choosing the mattress for access and not considering if it is right for you rings a little alarm bell! The description may be Med-Firm (whatever that means) but this will be relative to the weight applied. If you are 18st for example – it will feel relatively soft. If you are 8st it will feel relatively firm. To give a mattress a firmness rating without a weight parameter is impossible – Still amazes us that the majority of retailers still use SMoF (Soft Medium or Firm) ratings on their products when it is an absolutely useless means of measurement. John and Ryan.

  • Peter Taylor says:

    Hi
    I’ve just seen your excellent website.

    Less than 8 years ago I purchased a new medium Harrison Emerald 4’6″ divan bed with built-in storage in the base.

    Unfortunately I have been disappointed with it since day one. The problem is I sink into the surface (I am 5’10” and 12st). I find this uncomfortable and it imakes me too warm. Although there is meant to be a Summer and Winter side to the mattress I have never found much difference.

    In order to try and alleviate the now pronounced dip in the middle of the bed where I lie I have to continually turn and move the mattress around (every week). It has also got to the stage where I am regularly waking up with a numb arm(s) as I sleep on my side.

    My intentionis to either purchase a new medium Vi-Spring Traditional Bedstead mattress to go with my base or buy a complete new Dunlopillow bed (Cocoon 3).

    Having tried them both in a shop yesterday I would go for the Dunlopillow from an immediate comfort point of view but I am worried about heat retention as it is a constant problem I have always had with beds.

    I tried several Vi-Spring mattresses and found the Tradional was the only one I did not sink into – it felt more like lying on the surface however it was slightly firmer overall than I expected but hopefully I could adjust to this.

    I wonder if you could give me any advice or other suggestions for a replacement mattress/bed.
    Many Thanks
    Peter

    Hi Peter.

  • Duncan says:

    Hi,

    I have emailed the main office with regard to purchasing a new mattress and received a quick response, but I have further questions.

    My bedroom is small and so it can only accommodate a 4ft bed. Previously I have only ever purchased cage sprung mattresses (I confess, cheap ones at around the £200 mark that last not quite two years tops each)!

    I would like to purchase a pocket sprung mattress from you, however I am concerned of the ‘roll off’ effect that is mentioned elsewhere here on your web site to those that are used to cage sprung mattresses.

    As the bed is only 4ft wide and it has two of us (1 x 15 stone and 1 x 16 stone) in it, there is potential that either one or both of us could potentially be sleeping close to the edge of the mattress at some point during the night.

    Have you any recommendations as to the build I should be looking at. We both can, and sometimes do, get warm in bed and as we’ve never tried a memory foam or latex mattress before we are concerned about the potential to ‘overheat’ on one of those. Any suggestions?

    Julie, via email, very kindly advised that the Origins Pocket 2000 – 4ft was the same price as the Origins Pocket 1500 – 4ft and that I just need advise in the order that I’d require the higher spring count (which I think we’d need for our weights) and at £435 is considerably cheaper that either the Origins Pocket Latex 1500 (£640), or the Artisan Tailored Pocket 2000 (£795). Do either of these have different edge support that may sway us in their direction for the potential of sleeping close to the edge, over the OP2000.
    Yours, still very confused.

    Hi Duncan. There is no getting away from it. You are both going to occupy just 2ft of sleeping space each and therefore, as you will be sleeping directly on the edge you will experience that roll off effect where the pocket springs on the edge of the mattress will be compressed.

    Mattresses that use Foam Encapsulated Pocket Springs (FEPS – Read here) will offer you a more substantial edge support, but the overall build quality usually falls short of the mark. The third and best option is the Hand Side Stitched mattress. This will give a greater degree of edge support but do come at a price (I would consider the Sequence Pocket Suspension as a remedy for your requirements). John and Ryan.

    John & Ryan,

    Thanks for the comments on my previous post. I have just taken a look at the specs of your Sequence Pocket Suspension.

    I have one query with regard to how it will ‘feel’ to us. As previously mentioned we are 15 & 16 stone each (so no light weights). Our current, nearly dead, Sealy Backcare Firm is described there as ‘medium/firm’, which is how we would describe it. How would the Seq Pocket Suspension rate in ‘feel’ in comparison to our weights?

    Many thanks again
    Duncan.

    Hi again Duncan. The recommendation was done with reference to your budget and requirements. The Sequence PS will feel Medium for your weights – The PS is also Hand Side Stitched which will help re your concern about the rolling off sensation. Please feel free to call the office direct to discuss and detail. John and Ryan.

  • Elliott says:

    Morning guys

    Firstly, great website with lots of useful information.

    My girlfriend and I are looking for a new mattress but not sure what the best solution is. To help you, I’m 6ft 2′ and 19st and she’s 5ft 3′ and 10st 7lbs.

    We are ideally after a king size, pocket sprung mattress with a natural filler. We like the look of the Millbrook range, in particular the Saturn, Blenheim and Nebula products.

    Any advice is greatly welcome and received.

    We look forward to hearing from you.
    Regards. Elliott.

    Hi Elliot. Looking at the retail prices of the models you mention above I would say that you should use our Artisan Naturals as your starting point and do a quick side by side comparison to evaluate which is offering you more mattress for your money. The reason I ask you to do this comparison rather than me doing it for you is to demonstrate the sheer frustration you will experience from the lack of the necessary information you will require in order for you to do this. You will have to make contact with the manufacturer (In this case Millbrook) to determine whether the description (specification) is enough for you to come to a valid conclusion.

    There is also your weight difference to take into account. There will be no doubt about it that you will require dual springing (Medium for your GF and Firm for you. Please let us know your findings. John and Ryan.

  • Greg says:

    It’s good to see so much restful advice!

    After lots of searching around we are sold on the idea of a medium firm mattress with a memory foam-pocket spring combination. Can you please help with advice about the right choice of base? Do we look for a sprung base or an unsprung (solid base). We are not looking for a base with storage space……

    Hi Greg. Before making your decision take a trip to the shops and try the mattress on a platform top base and a sprung edged base (both divan bases). The difference you will feel will be completely worlds apart. The feel of the mattress on a sprung edged base will be more forgiving – acting as a shock absorber. It is often described as making the mattress feel softer which is rather misleading – as the mattress takes your weight it obviously depresses further than on a platform base. John and Ryan.

  • Timbo says:

    Hey John and Ryan

    I was looking through the website waiting for you to reply to some of the November posts but it looks like that have been removed or I can’t find them so apologises if this is repeating questions you have already answered.

    Hi Tim. You now hold the record for the longest comment on site. It is obvious you have taken time and thought to compile this and it would be disingenuous of me to reply other than with a considered response. Please bear in mind that November and December are extremely busy periods for us and naturally we have to give priority to current orders. The points you raise are interesting and provocative and I shall enjoy the debate. Please allow me some time to respond. John.

    UPDATE: Feb 2013: Hi again Tim. I keep looking at this post and although I start to consider my reply, the vast scope of what you are asking fills me with a little dread. I reach for the gin and put it back into the in-tray. I will answer this in time but in reality it is a good days work. I’m looking at this as a challenge and will answer completely very shortly. John and Ryan.

    My question/comment is about springs and padding/filling. This seems to be a common question, and I can feel you sigh as yet another person asks about spring count, but I think what adds to this confusion is every single manufacture, including yourselves, increase spring count with price, thus implying that a higher spring count is better, I will come back to this point later. In one post someone asked about the John Lewis range of beds and their very high spring count, so their top bed has 13,000 springs, your general reply was two fold, firstly dismissing the high number of springs as a good thing, using Vi Spring as an example of a leading company which don’t use a high number of springs. To be honest I don’t understand this as an answer, saying another manufacture does not use a high number of springs does not explain the science behind why high numbers of springs is not necessary a good thing, it also does not address why spring count increases with price.

    You then went on to talk about the filling, saying it was much more important and in fact a bed made of just filling would be best, this seemed to be purely a value based explanation rather than any science, and as we all know just because something is expensive does not make good, so if you could explain why filling should be considered more important that springs. If filling is greater then as I have said above why does spring count increase with price? Using your logic of filling is best you should start with a 2000ish spring count, with a poor filling and then as you move up the range drop to 1200 spring count and loads of expensive filling.

    What seems to happen is bed manufacturers take a duel approach to bed making increasing spring count while also increasing both the quality and quantity of the filling, this would imply that both serve a purpose and you would expect both in a good quality bed, increasing one exclusively would seem to have a limited value. I am presuming that in general beds are so deep, lets say 20cm, if you make a bed much deeper the sheets wont fit etc so generally speaking most beds will be within this. So when a manufacturer makes a bed they have a choice how to reach that depth that is broken down into two groups springs or filling. Now springs in general will take up more space, so I can see why a high spring count points towards there being no space for filling and money saved, but I think if that is your argument then you have missed the point.

    My personal opinion thinking as an engineer would be springs would provided both stability and support, so a filling only bed would be very close to a memory foam although would lack the ability to recover. So what difference would increasing the spring count have, well the best was to find out would be keep the filling consent and increase the number of springs, if manufactures did this it would make choosing a bed a lot easier. One thing which is clear is if the quality of the filling was increased, without lowering the spring count then this should be a better quality mattress. So that leaves the question about springs, does changing the springs or number of them make any difference? I am working on the presumption that John Lewis has kept the amount (in terms of weight) of filling consistent and only increased the quality and number of springs as you move up their range although I agree that it would be easier to tell this if they stated their GSM on each of the mattresses.

    So looking at springs themselves they have two main variation, size vertical/horizontal and thickness. The width of the spring would effect stability as well as the number you could fit into a bed, the thinner they are the more you could fit in. The more springs then the less work each spring would be doing, this would lead to increase life of the spring and therefore bed. The height of the spring would indicate the compression a spring would undertake, so the longer the more the spring would compress, so very short springs would have limited ability to compress and a layer of just very short springs although would support would also quickly reach full compression. With the width and height you have various options, a mattress can only be a certain depth so you can either layer springs, so lots of small springs on top of one another, make the springs longer so one spring covers the length of two or three springs. You could put springs within springs, so have one tall wide spring, then a shorter narrow one and a third one etc. So what difference would that make?

    Layering springs
    So if you put three layers of shorter springs and compared it to one long spring, the layered springs would be more stable and in theory last longer, all three springs would work compared to just the one, the compression in total which would be offered would be similar but you would expect to find a layer of three springs firmer than one longer spring, keep all other things equal. You could change the thickness of the spring which would decrease or increase the firmness so that would match, but it would be hard to get an exact match and the wear rate of them would be different, therefore you would expect to find the layer springs retaining their structure a lot better over time, something which be beneficial in a mattress. So if you expanded this out, say one layer of springs would be 1,000, so 3 layers would be 3,000, so if the filling and finishes was the same and the price was the same what would be a better buy? Well the 3,000 spring mattress would be, it should last longer and provide better support. You would expect to pay more for the mattress too, so 3 layers of springs would cost more than one, I would also presume it would be harder to make especially when it comes to hand stitching the sides. So the question then is, is there a trade off, if you go past 3,000 springs does the benefit start to decline?

    The biggest problem a manufacture would face would be how to kept the bed soft when layering springs, the more layers the greater stiffness, you could make the springs narrow to fit more in, but that again would mean making it firmer, you could make the springs thinner but as you reduce the ability the spring would have to recover, so too thin and you would end up with a sag in the bed as the springs wear out. So what you can do is put spring inside springs, or around springs.

    Springs in springs
    This is taking a thinner spring and placing it inside another spring, it is used in manufacturing fairly often as a buffer so to stop metal touching metal, with the additional spring normally only being used when then compression is too great. How would this would in a bed, well one of two ways: Firstly to prevent over compression, so when you move about on the bed the spring that supports you compresses and the inner spring kicks in to prevent the out spring over working, this would help to increase the life of the bed. The second way is a consent approach, so when you get onto the bed the outer spring compresses and you and then resting on both the inner and outer spring. This would mean the bed would feel sort as you initially lay on it but supportive as you lay there, so you would sink into the bed but not feel like you are going to be swallowed. So going back to our example of one layer having 1000 springs, if you said the other option was they all has springs within springs then you would have a 2,000 spring count. This would provide support, but unless this was mirrored then the mattress would be non-turn which would decrees the life, if it was a turn mattress then you would be talking a 4,000 spring count and would have the benefits of layering mentioned above. If set to the right tension a spring within a spring would work well, but if you could only have one option then layering would provide greater benefit.

    So looking at this and doing some crude experiments it seemed to me that keeping other things equal increasing the spring count would help both in terms of comfort/support and also how long a mattress would last. Which goes part way to explaining why manufactures go on about spring count so much, the other reason is it is because the springs which contains the technology and is the USP for a mattress something even Vi Spring realise.

  • Sally says:

    Hi, thanks for all the great information on this site.
    We’ve just purchased mid sleeper beds for our children for Christmas and are now trying to find suitable mattresses. Our children are 3 and 5 yrs. Some people have said foam mattresses aren’t good choices for children due to chemicals. But I wasn’t sure about open coil. Will they trash a pocket sprung? Or is a pocket sprung more than a child needs.
    I’m also aware they can’t be deep mattresses either.

    I hope you can find time to help and advise here, there doesn’t seem to be much information anywhere about children’s mattresses.

    Hi Sally. Normally I would agree that all foam mattresses should be avoided for children. However, if budget is an issue it becomes quite a feasible consideration. I would however utilise these with basic polyester toppers to ensure your kids are not sleeping directly on the mattress.

    It has to be said that foam mattresses offer significantly more comfort than a budget open coil construction and will also be more in keeping with the depth you require. John and Ryan.

  • Rita says:

    Hi John and Ryan,

    I hope you can help me choose the right mattress. I have been through four mattresses in the past 18 months!!! I weigh only 6 stone. Initially I tried a Relyon memory pocket 1200 mattress and didn’t find it comfortable due to the sinking feeling of memory foam and waking up with upper back pain every morning. The next mattress was one from a local bed shop which was extremely firm for me. After that I bought a 1500 pocket sprung mattress (with a label name of Deep Sleep) from another small bed store. It was a good mattress, and it was specified as medium firm, however I found it too firm as well. After an uncomfortable time with those mattresses, now I have a soft open coil mattress, bought from Benson Beds, however it is giving me neck, shoulder and upper back pain. All this has been such a waste of money too.

    I really don’t know what to choose next. I would be very grateful if you could suggest a suitable pocket sprung mattress for my body weight.
    Many thanks,
    Rita

    Hi Rita. So very sorry for the delay in replying, just catching up now.

    Your bodyweight is the key to all your misery. No doubt about it The Origins Comfort will be perfect for you – if not – send it back. Couple this with a topper of sorts – I would suggest feather and down as being my favourite, but have a look at pillow and duvet warehouse to see what is available and what you think will suit you.

    Give the office a call and Marie or Gary will be able to help you further. John and Ryan.

  • Jude says:

    Hi
    I’m about 10 stone and 5ft 2″ , and my partner is 13 stone .
    We are after a good quality pocket sprung mattress with a memory foam (non allergenic) topper.

    We would like to purchase a king size bed with a split mattress suitable for each of our body weight.
    Please could you advise and also let me know the cost and delivery.

    Many thanks
    Jude

    Hey Jude (Sorry). All our products are detailed here with full costings. There is no charge for delivery within the bulk of mainland UK.

    I would question your choice of topper though. Memory Foam is completely chemically produced using a myriad of unpronounceable ingredients as opposed to the more natural Latex foam. John and Ryan.

  • Keith says:

    Hello, John and Ryan.

    On the subject of pocket springs… my wife and I are each about 16st, and want to buy a new king size bed plus mattress. (Also, I guess there will be a topper in there somewhere, since you emphasise the importance of this).

    Obviously, it’s a minefield out there, and buying a new bed raises loads of questions. Please forgive the style, but it will be easier if I bullet point my questions..

    Hi again Keith. This is supplementary to your previous comment [Read Here].

    1). We are thinking of using a sprung slatted base, (because we’ve seen a really nice looking beadstead), with a pocket-sprung mattress. Is this advisable, or should we only consider using a sprung divan under the mattress?

    I am assuming you are keeping the mattress you bought – Sleepeezee Backcare (or have I mis-read) and if so there is no real reason to opt for any particular base. Ideally though, pocket sprung mattresses work well with a sprung edge divan base. They offer the flat surface it (the mattress) likes and also offers the greatest level of suspension. I note that you already have a Dunlopillo base which in my mind seems quite adequate for the time being.

    2). Am I right in thinking that the smaller diameter / greater number of springs across the surface of the bed, then the more refined the support will be?

    Yes and No. Depends on a significant number of factors. The most important being the actual gauge of the wire used to make the spring – 2000 firm (heavy gauge wire) will be less forgiving than 1000 soft (lesser gauge wire). You will also have to take into account the weight of the users and what their requirements are. This is a very tricky question with no real right answer. Upholstery will also play a part in how the mattress will feel and so springs alone cannot be a sole factor of choice or decision.

    3). Is there any benefit when a manufacturer uses two layers of half-length springs, compared to using one layer of full length springs? Although technically, this doubles the spring count, I assume that the spring – rate (ie lbs per inch compressed) and the diameter of the springs is the same in each case… in which case, surely the spring density and springyness of the mattresses would be identical!

    For this response you have to acknowledge that it depends on the actual mattress. For example, on Vi Springs top end of their range they do utilise the double layer spring construction. But, they do have the option of offering different spring gauges relevant to the end user. On mass produced mattresses this option of varying spring gauges is not usually an available option and a ‘one spring tension fits all’ would give a completely different feel.

    Taking this question in general terms, our theory is that a double layer of springs is the better option. A spring manufacturer once explained that as the top spring depresses under duress, the mechanics of the lower spring ‘kicks in’ before the top spring becomes fully depressed. As a further example of this you could look at how Harrisons explain the mechanics of their Revolution Spring in Spring system. As the larger outer spring is depressed, the smaller inner spring takes the strain of the weight applied.

    Despite the simplicity of your question, it is not really that possible to give an equally simplistic answer. It is an extremely interesting question tho’ and I would relish the views of other people especially those with an engineering background to discuss this theory.

    4). We have seen a range of Harrison beds locally, and I have their brochure, and I have also read a few comments on your website about these. What do you think about their HD and Posturefil spring systems? and the “spring-in-spring” Revolution main springs?

    I personally like the usage of micro/ mini springs but not in such a level whereby it is at the expense of upholstery. The only difference (rightly or wrongly) between manufacturers is how they develop and utilse the support element of the mattress (springs). As explained above and elsewhere, you have to look at the mattress in two separate elements – Support (Springs) AND comfort (Upholstery). To base your decision on one element alone will not work. This is not to say that one technique is better than the other, but it has to be taken into consideration. Will a ten stone bodyweight require the same support as a 16st bodyweight? No. So the actual number of springs in a mattress does not equate to a ‘better’ or more comfortable mattress.

    Once again Keith, an interesting question worthy of discussion and no doubt there will be several equally valid points of view.

    In one of your comments, comparing Harrisons with Vi Spring, you noted that Harrisons do not advertise the amount of fill materials in their products. A very interesting observation. Possibly their filling content is relatively low, but if I am guessing correctly, I imagine that the HD and Posturefil items are supposed to offer comfort rather than support, and if so, wouldn’t these retain elasticity (return to shape) far better than wadding? If you were using an additional topper, would any deficit in wadding, but addition of these smaller springs be a good or a bad thing?

    Absolutely. However… once again (is this a good or bad thing?) there is no right or wrong answer. I always draw on the Spink and Edgar top of range Empire mattress with 21700 springs as an example. The core of this mattress utilises the Revolution system topped off with multi sheets of HD mini / micro springs. Now (and this is only my theory) will the Revolution springs work as intended if the bodyweight applied has to go through 1. the upholstery, and 2. the multi layers of HD springs?

    Secondly, now using Vi Spring as the example, just laying a blanket on top of their spring system (calico encased pocket springs) will also offer a supremely level of comfort. Vi Spring utilises multi layers of upholstery which brings me back to my response of there is no real right or wrong answer. Each manufacturer will quite rightly stand by their own methods of construction and obviously state that their method is the best.

    Again Keith, too big a question to answer without a secondary point of view.

    5). Would it be far better to use a cheaper mattress (with say, 2000 pocket springs but with very little wadding) just to get the necessary support, and to add the comfort layers by using one or two toppers?
    (rather than buying a really expensive mattress, having a similar set of materials but all in one case ?)

    In my view Yes. Obviously it is better the mattress is as well built as your budget allows but certainly the addition of toppers to suit your requirements precisely is a better option than expecting a mattress to tick all your boxes from the start. In any case, all mattresses will require a topper for a multitude of reasons as described throughly throughout this site.

    Well, that’s a lot to ask, but we have had a Vi Spring Herald, which rapidly bulged into a lozenge shape and also went lumpy; a Dunlopillo which was great, until it became permanently squashed in places, and also a Hypnos, which developed a hollow on one side !

    Thanks again for a brilliant web site, and for any answers you can give.
    Kind regards. Keith

    Excellent questions Keith. Thoroughly enjoyed this one. I hope this demonstrates the complexities of what you would deem to be such a simple purchase. The responses above are our opinions and please don’t take them Carte Blanch to be the ‘right’ answers. It is necessary to get other peoples point of view and then come to your own conclusion as to what the right answer for you will be. Very enjoyable. John and Ryan.

  • Keith says:

    Hi John and Ryan,
    Thank you for providing such an informative, generous and brilliant website. Also, for answering my questions so quickly. Wow!!

    I’m glad you enjoyed the questions! I certainly found your answers both informative and enjoyable. (Thank you). Also very thought – provoking, regarding springs.

    It is now very clear to me that you need to consider all the variables together, and not base your choice on one factor. I must say, though, that your answers to individual points on comfort and support are all very helpful, in their own right, and this post is really about the support aspects. (I’ll be sure to also consider your advice on toppings as well).

    I wrote this post, because we intend to buy a new bed frame and also a new mattress in the near future. (The cheaper mattress which we recently bought, is just a stop-gap, and will become the guest bed when we move house.) So we do have to go through the whole selection process, and it’s a good job we found your site first!! :-)

    We’d be very grateful for any further comments on whether a slatted base would be ok for a new and “good quality” heavy pocket sprung mattress, (and if we choose this combination, should we add anything else) or if we should really change our thoughts to a sprung edge divan.

    Also, we need to consider further, the pros and cons between the Harrison type and the Vi-spring / your own type of construction. Bearing in mind that we can balance the upholstery by careful choice of topper(s) but cannot alter the support springs, other than by choosing what is under the mattress.

    I’m also wondering, what are your thoughts on a latex mattress as an alternative please?

    FOR ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN A DISCUSSION ON MATTRESS SPRINGS, PLEASE READ ON…. (If you’re not, then this is probably not for you! )

    Hi again Keith. This was quite an extensive, interesting and thought provoking comment and as such has been adapted into a post which I would advise all readers of this site to look at. In order to put this post into perspective I would ask you to look at Keith’s original line of questioning [Here].

    Grab yourself a cup of tea (or pint of gin) and enjoy. Go to Post [Pocket Springs – The Arguments]. John and Ryan.

  • Lynn says:

    Hi John,

    My husband and I are interested in getting a king size mattress. Each of us weigh about 9 stones.

    I came across these pocket spring mattresses from Shire Beds called the Sandringham (3000) , the Kensington (2000) and Balmoral (1000).

    We would like to know what you think of them as there isn’t very much information on their website and we could not find any stores near us which sell them.
    Thanks in advance! Lynn

    Hi Lynn. Looking at the models you refer to I assume your budget is in the region of £500. Your bodyweights do not require a great deal of support and therefore I would ask you to consider our Origins Comfort. Also, a similar model by Relyon (The Bedstead 1000) is a good comparable mattress for the price and worth considering.

    Even though there is a tremendous choice of mattresses for the £500 price bracket, the builds can be deemed quite similar – all will more than likely be Polyester based. Please read this comment which explains this in a bit more detail and may help you in your choice. John and Ryan.

  • Alec Chin says:

    Hi,
    I was wondering whether you could help. I was looking at your website for general info on buying the right mattress. I need a small single 2ft6″ for a top bunk bed. These seem to be very rare as they need to have a max depth of 7.5″ for health and safety.

    I was looking for a pocket spring but my search has only found to a low 800 spring count polyester filled mattress or a 1000 spring count foam filled mattress. As the mattress would be used for various guests with vary light (children) to medium (young adult) could you make any suggestions. Is it better to ditch the idea of a pocket spring in favour of a standard cage with better firmness or is one of the above option just as good.

    Thanks in advance.
    Alec Chin

    Hi Alec. You hit the nail on the head with your observation about the maximum depth – in your case 7.5 inches deep.

    Firstly, you seem to think that a 800 spring count (in a Kingsize) is something less than satisfactory. Of course this does fall in the starter pocket counts but .. bear in mind that a standard open coil spring unit has about 270 – 300 open coils so 800 pockets is better than the cheaper options.

    Secondly, the higher the spring counts the better the mattress which will usually equate to a deeper mattress – and obviously not what you require.

    As a final point of note, the safety guard rail on bunk beds must not be breached. I would personally look for a foam mattress of about 6″ in depth and complement this with a topper of sorts – either Memory Foam / latex / Wool etc. Anything to add an additional level of comfort. Hope this helps Alec. John and Ryan.

  • A Williams says:

    Hi l need your help for the last ten years l have been sleeping on a Millbrook 800 or tho which is so comfortable l have back pain and neck pain l wads wondering if you can put me in the right direction for another make as good as Millbrook thank you.

    Hi A. Am I reading this right? You have a Millbrook mattress that you found so comfortable that you want to buy off another company? Why are you not going back to Millbrook? The 800 models from Millbrook are their lower range – The Princess / The Rennes / The Charm etc. Not sure what particular model you are referring to, so a bit more info would help. John and Ryan.

  • Pay says:

    Hi

    quick one

    I want to get latex mattress , should i go with one that is fully latex and no spring pocket ? or should i get the one with spring pocket and latex ?

    I mean latex with no pocket spring is better or latex with pocket spring?

    I have lower back pain. Should i go for 7 zone latex?
    i am sorry i am really confused. And should i go for firm or regular ?
    Many Many thanks

    Hi Pay. Solid core latex is the best construction method. As latex is a more expensive component (compared to a pocket spring unit) the cost of the solid core latex may be prohibitive. Latex is usually zoned in either 3 / 5 / 7 areas. Again price becomes a factor as the more zones the more expensive. Personally, I wouldn’t be overly concerned whether it was zoned or not, Given the choice a 3 zone mattress will be more than suitable.

    As for tension, and taking your back into consideration, I would opt for the firm tension. As with all mattresses, the topper you should be using can be softer to take the edge off if required, or supplement with a firm topper if you get relief from the support qualities of the firmer latex. Let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Sarah says:

    Hello,
    I wonder if you can help.
    Mattress shopping is soooo difficult, especially when you are prone to a bad back!

    We have just bought a super king bed frame, with a sprung slatted base. We have tried several mattresses, but as they are never in the same shops it is hard to remember how they felt. Anyway we have tried several different brands, but keep going back to the Harrison ranges.
    The 2 main ones that we like are the Beech 4750 and the Nirvana 3000.

    We tried the Beech in firm in one shop seemed fine to me, but my husband thought it was perhaps to firm, they did not have a medium to try. Then tried the Nirvana in another shop and it was medium, I thought it was okay, but they didn’t have a firm to compare to.

    The Beech is a warmside / coolside mattress, which I think seems a good idea, especially as my husband always feels cold in winter.
    My husband weighs about 12 stone and I am currently 9 months pregnant and am about 3-4 stone heavier than normal at 16 stone.
    Not so keen on the one side firm and one side medium as when you rotate we’d have to swap sides of bed!

    Apparently all the mattresses we tried were on sprung divan bases, they told me the mattress (whether it be medium or firm) would feel slightly firmer on our base. Is that true?

    Also if we get firm and when I loose baby weight in about 6-9 months, will a firm feel firmer as I am lighter, or do these types of springs in the Harrison not make that much difference? Both mattresses looked at were about £700-£900 in their sales.

    Any help much appreciated, as I am now getting fed up of looking, and rolling around like an oversized hippo on showroom beds at 9 months pregnant, isn’t much fun!! Many thanks, Sarah.

    Hi Sarah. Start looking at construction rather than how it feels. The baby will be born, gone to school, and looking to leave home by the time you get to finding the right mattress!

    In the case above you are looking at a one sided mattress [The Nirvana] against a two sided mattress [The Beech] and although quite similar in basic construction The Beech offers a greater degree of value for money. However .. do not take this as some kind of personal recommendation as there is more to it than just that. Read this comment here for more reasoning.

    Your man in the shop was right, a mattress on a slatted frame will not have the suspension qualities of a sprung edged divan and will indeed feel firmer. Bear in mind also that Feather and Black have their mattresses made by Harrisons under their own label and they may be a viable source for alternative (but very similar) models. Hope this helps Sarah. Incidentally, I would wait till after the baby is born and you weight returns to normal to go mattress shopping. Your requirements then will be soooo different to what they are now.. I wonder if any new mums have their own take on this theory – please add comment. John and Ryan.

  • Rosemary says:

    I wonder whether you can answer a querie regarding a 1,000 pocket sprung mattress from Dreams please. (I wish that I had purchased from here but having bought a mattress from Dreams initially – despite having to exchange four times with two of the mattresses being `faulty` they do not refund only exchange and so stuck with them).

    My latest exchange is a medium/firm pocket spring…….apparently it `should` retail for £670 but I bought it much cheaper in one of their reduction ploys (is it really worth £670 or is it in fact only worth what I paid for it)…..

    The mattress literally crunches when you push on it (from the day that I recieved it)……I am only 8 stone and sleep alone and yet in the area that my hips lie on you can already feel the springs through the top of the mattress and it literally crunches when pressed down on……as though the springs are crunching and clipping one another and the central sleeping part is awful already….you can almost feel `wires`……

    I mailed dreams the day that i received the mattress telling them that it made really bad crunching and clipping noises when ypu press down on the mattress (its really profound) and that the central sleeping part felt almost `broken in already` (i wondered whether i had received a `40 night guarantee mattress` (what do they do with them……I wonder)……

    The reply from dreams was that the crunching and clipping noises were `normal` for a pocket sprung mattress as it is the springs moving and that the mattress is brand new….

    Is it actually normal for a new mattress to really make loud and pronounced crunching, cracking and clipping noises when pressed down on ???….(I can now feel wires right at the surface of the mattress where my hips have been lying (I reiterate that i am 8 stone and this is a medium/firm mattress – bit too firm for my shoulders actually as it causes pain in my shoulders and arms)……I feel in my heart that i have bought mass produced cheap rubbish….with no disrespect to dreams…

    I shouldnt have used the store in the first place but once you have purchased there, only refunds are offered….even though they sent an independent company to look at one of the faulty mattresses who thought the mattress and fault were dreadful, they wouldnt refund – only exchange…..

    My question to you, if i may, is whether you feel that a 1,000 pocket sprung mattress that should apparently £670 should be this bad (I appreciate that it is only entry level…..but for 670 you should be able to get something half decent..

    ps sorry – I meant to say that only `exchanges` are offered…….and when i speak of `whether i have received a 40 night guarantee mattress` I meant to say a return mattress under this guarantee….apologies. Its a truly horrible mattress and I am exhausted from the entire ordeal of finding one (within my budget) that is – dare I say, `comfortable`.
    thanks

    Hi Rosemary. No it is most certainly and definitely not normal and if FIRA (the independent inspectors) say it is then they should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately you did not give a model name and price paid for it so I cannot comment further – Please submit. John and Ryan

  • lisa says:

    hi i was just wondering what mattress is best to buy for a young child, i want a natural chemical free mattress but which is best, all natural latex or latex and pocket sprung with other natural materials? support wise and health wise? thank you

    Hi Lisa. Child and cot mattresses are not our area of expertise. Have a look at this comment from one of our old customers who asked a similar question and provided some results which may help you. Read Here.. Please let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Andrew says:

    Do you have any opinions on the mattresses sold at Next, are they any good?
    There is basically just one range of pocket sprung mattresses with either 1100, 1500 or 2000 springs. All are described as Medium-Firm so I’m not sure what the difference would be with the spring count.
    Unlike the main high street retailers where reviews are almost always negative, the reviews on the Next website are mostly positive.

    Hi Andrew. Very good question. We started looking at these models back in May and on the face of it the description and specification seemed to be quite impressive particularly when they are described as having “Comfort 7 – Indicates the number of comfort layers within each mattress”. I notice now that images are supplied with the product to show the actual make up of the mattress but at that time we had to email Next to question the term “Comfort 7” and following several chase up mails we got the following reply in September to explain the meaning of this term.
    Layer 1 Super Soft Filling
    Layer 2 A Cotton/Wool/Polyester layer
    Layer 3 A mattress padding layer

    Layer 4 The spring unit

    Layer 5 A mattress padding layer
    Layer 6 A cotton/Wool/Polyester layer
    Layer 7 Super soft Filling

    As with most manufacturers / retailers, there is no indication of any associated weights / GSM given. However, looking at the images we can assume that the main upholstery layer is 1200 GSM and topped off with what looks like 600gsm polyester. The mattress padding layer is not evident within the image although I am going to assume again that this is reference to a spunbond insulating layer directly on the spring unit.

    When we were looking at these models we used our Origins 1500 as the comparison based on price. As you will see from our specification we have utilised a sheet of HD foam as the mattress padding layer which goes a great way to inhibit undue settlement of any upholstery layer applied on top of this. Then 1250 gsm polyester in two differing densities is used and topped off with a 300gsm comfort layer of wool and silk. In short, these two models are quite similar but I would (obviously) select our Origins 1500 as a better quality of overall build. [Read more here] Hope this helps Andrew (sorry for delay in replying: Holiday ) John and Ryan.

  • Milena says:

    Hi John & Ryan,

    I am hoping to get your opinion on a mattress I just bought ( 2000 Pocket Spring – sleepsoftly.co.uk/ deep-filled-2000-pocket-sprung-mattress.html. Unfortunately I did not come across your website before I bought it and didn’t do enough research. I have a curvier spine ( due to bad posture for most of my life) and naively thought that a 2000 Pocket Spring mattress is the best for offering back support. The thing is I am only 7 stone and after the first night using this mattress appart from feeling like I’ve slept on the floor my back is in absolute agony.

    My husband is of the opinion that mattresses can’t be returned for hygienic reasons. Do you think the mattress will soften over time or is a mattress topper my only option in your opinion? I am absolutely devastated that I didn’t do my research for such an important matter.

    I will be most grateful for any advice.
    Many thanks, Milena

    Hi Milena. Had a quick look at the spec of this particular mattress and without being too critical it beggars belief that you bought it without a hint of what the upholstery elements consisted of and at just less than £800 seems expensive for what it is. I am siding with you to say that this is certainly not right for your extremely light weight and therefore it is logical why you describe it as like sleeping on the floor.

    If you do not have the option of return your only option is to improve the comfort level with use of toppers. I would recommend you opt for the toppers offering purely comfort (no support qualities) like wool, wool and cotton etc. This will be a trial by error operation and therefore I would start by adding a hollow fibre topper or duck / goose down (no feather) to give a cushioning effect. If you feel that this is improving your comfort you can then look to add an additional topper directly on top of your matress such as a 3-5 cm very soft (cheap) memory foam topper to be used beneath your wool or down topper for extra comfort. Your husband will not be directly affected if he is of a higher weight than you as the support for him is already in the mattress.

    Let us know how this pans out Milena. People of a very light weight find the available mattress options quite limited particularly when tied to a budget of less than £800 or so. John and Ryan.

  • Trish says:

    Hi, Firstly thanks for providing such an informative website. I wish I had found it sooner…. I have recently (4wks ago) taken delivery of one of Spinks & Edgar mattresses sold through John Lewis. It is the natural collection 6000 hd springs version (http://www.johnlewis.com/john-lewis-natural-collection-fleece-wool-6000-mattress-double/p557300). I went for this one as it seemed firm but also supportive when I lay on it in the shop. More expensive mattresses in the range seemed to be too soft – I guess this is due to the amount of extra padding used? However, 4wks in I am waking up with a tingling pins and needles sensation at the tops of my legs, down my calf/into my feet and sometimes in my arms/fingers after sleeping in the bed – After I have been up for a while this does disappear. When I’m sitting up in the bed it also feels as though I am sitting on an old bed of uncomfortable springs.

    I’m not sure now whether I have selected a too firm mattress and should think about exchanging it for something else or returning it for a refund. I am also waiting for delivery of the sprung divan base that I tried with the mattress in John Lewis. Mine is unsprung so I am wondering if that will make any difference. I notice from one of your earlier comments that mattresses do soften over time so didn’t want to get a soft bed if that was also going to create problems. I have thought about getting a topper for the mattress to see if this would help although from the mixed reviews (for the hollow fiber, duck, down and wool toppers) I’m unsure how much this would help? Can you advise. Thanks

    Hi Trish. It does say on the specification that this particular model is the firmest within their Naturals collection but without knowing your weight becomes impossible to say whether this was the right or wrong choice for you. However, your symptoms of tingling may indicate that this may be too firm for your weight (no suspension qualities) Secondly, the sprung edge divan base will make a considerable difference in the overall feel. The good thing is, you have bought from JL and therefore will have the opportunity to return within 90 days.

    Your thoughts on toppers is correct [Read Here] using the mattress purely as the support element, adding further elements of comfort (in the form of toppers) will have a positive effect on the overall comfort properties.

    Springs will have a tendency to soften over time but talking to our spring guy at the IST he says this happens within the first few months and then stabilises. This particular model utilises HD mini springs and therefore will be relatively forgiving before you hit the main core of Revolution springs. Let us know how this pans out. John and Ryan.

  • Carolyn Majewski says:

    Hi, I would like some advice please. I stayed in a travelodge near Edinburgh airport and slept on one of their new sleepeezee travelodge dreamer beds. It was the best bed I have ever slept in! At home we have separate beds next to each other (I move around a lot in the night so this was best option!) After sleeping in the travelodge we were ready to buy 2 of their single mattresses at £239 each (mattress only).

    My other half gets a lot of back problems, he is approx 13.5 stone, 6ft, I am approx 10 stone, 5.5ft. Their mattress is 950 pocket springs. I thought this was great but reading your info does not seem to be the best. I have found tesco have for £199 on sale a Rest Assured Royal Ortho 1000 Single Mattress
    Read more at http://www.tesco.com/direct/rest-assured-royal-ortho-1000-mattress/411-8200.prd#JtWikA69tfLmf5UP.99
    what would you advise for around this price mark? Please bare in mind I live in the Highlands Scotland so due to surcharges the bigger places like tesco and argos etc will be better for me as they don’t normally surcharge. thanks in advance, Carolyn

    Hi Carolyn. Same response as the questioner above. All mattresses around the £200 mark will intrinsically be the same – One sided, 1000 pocket springs and a polyester comfort layer. By themselves, they will not be what can reasonably be described as comfortable but you should be able to adapt them with toppers [Read Here] to add additional elements of comfort.

    Secondly, if you did like the experience on the Sleepezee travel lodge mattress then obviously for £30 or so more this should be your course of action. Personally, prior to purchase I would be inclined to inquire if these mattresses are exactly the same specification (Hotel use and Domestic use). John and Ryan.

    2013/10/20 at 16:58
    Hi John & Ryan, thanks so much for your quick response. I am happy to pay the extra £30 to get the travelodge one, I just wondered if 1000 pocket springs would be much different to 950 as reading your article it seems like they would be the same basic build whoever I buy from, I just don’t know how much difference 50 springs makes. I then thought why am I paying £30 more for less springs. I do understand (thanks to your helpful article) that there is more to it than just the amount of springs. Maybe part of the comfort was what else they had in the mattress. Do you think because I was so happy with it I should go with what I tried (after hearing back from sleepeezee that it is the same bed) and maybe add topper like you suggested if needed.

    One more question, do you think 950/1000 springs is enough for a 13.5 stone male or should my other half try to get one with more springs, it sounds like it should be right for me at 10 stone.
    Thanks again for your time.

    Hi again Carolyn. There will be no noticeable difference between 950 and 1000 springs. The additional £30 or so may be going towards something else in the mattress – not necessarily the spring unit. As you know, unless you have an idea of how the upholstery is made up it becomes quite impossible to do side by side comparisons to see exactly where your money is going.

    The spring count of 1000 will be enough for a 13.5st man as well as enough for you. Factor in the price of a topper each and you will increase the comfort element of your mattress by miles. John and Ryan.

  • Rob.b says:

    Hi, any advice on a bed for lower back pain. Currently have a Miracoil which seems to sag in the middle.Budget for the king size is about £400. Really struggling on the divan against slats argument too.The last nine months have been pretty ache ridden and it’s becoming more and more clear that our current hopeless bed is playing its part in that. We are 5ft 11 and 13st and 5ft 9 and 9st.

    Hi Rob. I would be inclined to point straightaway at the mattress being the cause for your current achy back – even if coupled with a back condition – I’m sure it really isn’t helping.

    Your budget now becomes the problem – £400 – £500 is not the most generous of amounts and so I am going to pass this comment to our foam guy Lee, who will be able to discuss with you the best options for consideration. Read also a previous comment [Here] from a reader with an even lower budget than yours to see what we recommended. John and Ryan.

    2013/10/25 at 11:08 |
    Hi Rob, It’s Lee from John Ryan Contemporary. I have tried replying to your email but it keeps bouncing. Can you please resubmit your email via the comment section please so I can get in touch? Or ring the office to leave your details. Thanks Lee.

  • Lucy says:

    I’m looking for a pocket spring double mattress, but I’m on a tight budget and after a bad experience recently with a company (delivery never showed up so I ended up canceling) I’d rather buy from a well-known store with an established reputation. I want to get the best I can afford, but with a budget of £500 for a bed AND mattress it’s really tricky!

    The comfiest bed I’ve ever tested is the Dreams Avebury, medium-firm at 2000 springs. But I’m not sure if it’s the spring count that makes it so comfy or all the thick layers. Would you recommend looking for a similar, cheaper mattress with 2000 springs, or should I compromise on spring count and look for one with certain layers of upholstery? It’s usually only me in the bed, although I share it at weekends with my other half. I’m 10 stone, so maybe spring count isn’t that important?

    Hi Lucy, Firstly apologies for the delay in responding to your comment, we’ve been incredibly busy moving to a new office and warehouse. We do aim to reply to everyone so hope its not to late to assist you Lucy. You’re correct on both counts that its a mix of both the spring ‘quality’, not just count, and the comfort layers that ultimately determine the quality of a mattress. At the price range you are at its unlikely that natural materials will even feature or not at the quality you would need them at. What we would advise is that you look for deeper layers of either polyester or synthetic comfort layers that will provide you with a quality bed, rather than thin to zero layers of ‘natural’ materials. We have the origins range which are ideal for the price band and quality you are seeking, please give us a ring or email to advise further as we would need to know your weight and height. Many thanks for getting in touch Lucy. Lee

  • Maria says:

    I have two sons of 7 and 3 who share a double bed. I need to change their mattress as they have an old lumpy one that I kept till they had dry nights and now think it is time they got a proper one. What would you recommend for two small restless sleepers (and the odd adult on stormy nights)?

    Hi Maria, I’m sure we can provide some guidance. Can I ask that you get in touch with the office so we can find out the weights and specifics you require please? The number is 0161 945 3757. Many thanks – Lee (John Ryan Contemporary)

  • Rob says:

    Hi, great website!

    My partner and I have tried out a few beds at Dreams and found the most comfortable to be a Sealy Rosebury (memory topped, pocket sprung), however at a combined weight of around 30st I’m wondering if 1400 springs would be enough? any advice on similar mattresses to try would also be greatly received !

    Who would have though mattress buying could be such a minefield !

    Thanks in advance.
    Rob

    Hi Rob, The Sealy Rosebury is a latex topped pocket sprung mattress but as discussed numerous times throughout the John Ryan Sites Latex can be a minefield, it’s all about the blend, density and manufacture method. Without going into to much detail on the ins and outs of I’ll discuss specifically the Rosebury. If you want to find out more about latex please visit John Ryan Contemporary’s Latex topic here. The Rosebury is a firm one sided mattress which would make it suitable for your weights if you like a firmer mattress which your trial of the Rosebury suggests.

    In relation to the spring count it’s not as simple as ‘the higher the springs the better the mattress’. It depends on the gauge the type of coil and tension of the springs. Unfortunately the Sealy Rosebury doesn’t give you these details or the type of Latex used. We have an excellent Pocket Sprung Latex mattress called the Fusion zero. It contains 1000 medium gauge barrel springs and has a 5cm layer of dunlop 80% natural 20% synthetic latex. On top of this, and our differential to the Rosebury, we have a 5cm matching turnable topper that comes with the mattress. This means that you can turn the topper. It also provides excellent progressive comfort as the top comfort layer is far deeper than most shop bought comparitors. I’d suggest comparing them side by side online.

    The advice we always give is that you need to know the specifics of the components of any shop bought mattress. If you struggle to get answers or details we ask you to scrutinise this. You need to know the details not only to compare but by principle you should be able find out exactly what your buying. We always provide all the details on our components and manufacture methods. If you’re interested in the Fusion zero please have look at our John Ryan Contemporary site.

    Many thanks for you query Rob and we hope that helps! – Lee – John Ryan Contemporary

  • Rob says:

    Many thanks for the reply Lee,

    how would a Geltex layer compare to latex ?

    another bed we’re looking into is this one (silentnight/geltex-affinity)
    Rob.

    Hi Rob, Geltex is a type of hybrid foam and yet again there are no specific details on the density, composition or hardness of this foam. I’d imagine is something similar to our Laygel. This too is a firm bed, and most UK manufactured hybrid foams are quite soft, as they are highly responsive, ie return to their original position very quickly so I would think the pocket sprung unit is very firm.

    There are no UK based manufacturers of really firm hybrid foams that we are aware of, as the whole benefit of these foams is their soft comfort, heat reduction and responsiveness which a really firm foam would struggle with. So I’d assume the tension was from the spring unit not the foam, unless it is imported foam. Again I would be querying the pocket sprung unit on this bed and the specifics on this foam. What I can say is that Latex is the premium bed foam, which far surpasses memory and hybrid foams. Its incredibly durable, responsive and progressive. Something which all hybrid foams try to imitate but fall short. This is why Latex is much more expensive, you’re paying for a far more advanced product. Thanks – Lee (John Ryan Contemporary)

  • Jack says:

    Hi John and Ryan

    I prefer a firm mattress but I’m a little confused about the spring physics thing.

    I have a choice of two mattresses for my slatted base: a Hypnos with 1600 ReActive springs, rated “firm”, wool, cotton and white fibre, 27 cms deep
    or
    a handmade Restus, 2 layers of 2000 barrel springs joined at the waist, rated “medium firm”, wool, cotton and polyester, 27 cms deep.

    The Hypnos is heavily discounted, making it the same price as the other.

    Which is the better buy for a six foot, 12 stone man?

    Thanks

    Hi Jack. Going by brand alone I would opt for The Hypnos. However, this is completely the wrong way to go about it. What you should be doing is to list the upholstery side by side to see who is giving you the most. This is easier said than done because most likely this information will not be given out. It may well be worth a call to each of the manufacturers to see what they have to say. Let me know what happens and if you give me some model names I will be able to look at them side by side for you. John and Ryan

    Submitted on 2014/03/20 at 11:10

    Hi John and Ryan

    I’ve not had any calls or e-mails back from the manufacturers. Here are the options I have found for my budget (£500 to £600): can you separate the wheat from the chaff?

    My criteria were simple: pocket sprung, high degree of natural fillings, firm feeling, well constructed, deep.

    Hypnos/House of Fraser Wye (dodgy sales tactics on this one, it sold for around £600 for most of its life, then suddenly given a £1400 tag for about a month, now at £700 with a big “50% off!” tag. I can purchase at £566).

    Restus/KozeeSleep Solitaire 4000 (good spec from a supplier to John Lewis),Hamilton & James Natural Pocket 2000 (very good spec but no pedigree at all),Hypnos Orthos Silk,Hypnos Orthos Latex (in a clearance sale) & JR Origins Pocket 1500

    Thanks for the help!

    Jack
    Submitted on 2014/03/29 at 12:20

    Hi

    Here is the reply from Hypnos re: construction:

    “I am afraid that we do not give out the specific information that you are requesting. This is part of a conscious decision taken by the company to encourage customers to select the best for them based on comfort and feel, and not see them confused or misdirected by statistics.

    What makes the best bed is as much art as it is science or engineering and the final choice made by the customer is highly subjective and individual.

    All of our beds are high quality and backed up by a 10 year guarantee, the best thing to do is try out the models and select the one that feels supportive (not necessarily the same thing as firm), comfortable and right for you as an individual.”


    Hi again Jack,
    The reply you have received from Hypnos does not surprise me in the slightest, I am aware that the vast majority of manufacturers will not disclose construction and build information as this would then put them in a comparison market place as opposed to a position of mystery and vagueness. I do note however, that one of the premier bed manufacturers in the UK, Vi Spring, do disclose the construction and upholstery specifics within their catalogues, which begs the question why? Who is right? We are quite happy to disclose the information needed in the same vein as Vi Spring, as we believe that this information is essential when looking to get value for money and quality components when purchasing a mattress. The same analogy could be associated with any purchase no matter what the cost, you want to know what is in it and what you are paying for. This response from Hypnos is typical and frustrates me, as customers are not provided with any specifics and the onus for selection is passed to the Customer with no recourse.

    Turning to the specific mattresses mentioned by you previously, I confirm that I am unable to find the Hypnos Wye in stock anywhere and none of the others disclose the actual specifications making a comparison impossible. Given your budget and requirements, I would suggest that you take a look at our Origins Pocket Latex 1500, which retails at £700 for a Kingsize. If you require any further assistance at the point of or prior to ordering, please contact Marie or Gary on our office number. Kind regards Mike

  • June says:

    Hi was going to buy this matress on groupon as i thought it was a bargain price but stumbled across your website and am interested to see what you would reccomend. 11 months ago I had a baby and with my baby has came back problems. At the moment i blame our matress as well. Would you reccomend this matress? If not what is your reccomendations? Thanks

    [Groupon Link removed]

    Hi June. I cannot access the details of this particular mattress – please copy and paste the information and I can be a bit more specific.
    As a sidenote I am not aware of any mattresses sold through Groupon that have been ‘A Bargain !”. A manufacturer I know of did buy a mattress via a Groupon ad and when he cut it open did not match the specification that was advertised – an error? mistake in manufacture? who knows. Supply more information and we can take it from there. John and Ryan

  • cas says:

    Hi have been after a mattress and used your web site as a guide. It is brill and have recomended it to others. Problem was I found it too late.
    In November 2013 I brought the superking Rosebury mattress from Dreams. At that price £1400 I thought it would be sound. After 3 weeks it had bad dips where we had layed and the centre was that high it was imposible to change position because of rolling. Dreams sent someone to test it and agreed it was faulty. Six weeks later another rosebury arrived, same happend again after six weeks. Again I was offered a swap. So I then asked for another type, regardless of the attitude of the staff and so called customer care, I agreed to put more money to get a 3000 sprung Durham. It feels good having had two nights on it. But having read your coments about the amount of springs in a superking I am worried that this now £1700 mattress is worth the money. I am 5ft and 13st. My hubby is 6ft and 15 st. I am woundering why the other two so called good mattresses sagged so bad. Is this one likely to do the same? Please can you put my mind at rest. What is your oppinion on my new one. Any advice incase of a problem with this one.
    Many thanks cas

    Hi Cas. I had a quick look through my notes about The Rosebury and see that it was introduced into their collection during August 2013 (£1099.99 – Kingsize) increased to £1229.99 in December 2013, Reduced to £989.99 between December and present day (March 2014). As a point of note the Rosebury SKS is currently £1259.99.

    The Durham appears in June 2013 at a price of £1429.99 (Kingsize) and has remained at this price to present day.

    If we look first of all as to what may have happened to your first two Rosebury mattresses we have to try as best we can to virtually dissect it;

    Official Specification
    Luxurious fillings include a deep layer of zoned latex for outstanding comfort and support meaning you’ll go to sleep quicker and stay asleep for longer..
    Specifications:
    – 1400 Pocket spring mattress
    – Non-allergy producing
    (sic)
    – No need to turn
    – Micro quilted pillow top mattress
    – Comfort grade 2 – Firm

    No real surprise that this tells you practically nothing – however, the line Non allergy producing (I assume this means padding!) can easily be taken for polyester, one sided mattress, 1400 pocket springs with a pillowtop. Please read this post for a detailed look on why we think this is a seriously flawed product and no small wonder it failed.

    Not to put too fine a point on this, aside from the “deep layer of zoned latex” claim – How deep? What blend? – this is nothing short of a basic polyester / foam mattress which at £1259.99 (SK) is vastly overpriced.
    – As a price comparison see how our Artisan 1500 is constructed for £985 (SK)

    And Cas, I’m afraid to say the Durham is a bit dubious to say the least.

    Official Specification;Product code: 131-00315
    Our superb Durham mattress offers you both excellent levels of support and naturally luxurious comfort.

    Up to 3000 hand nested pocket springs in the King Size option ensure your whole body benefits from superior levels of comfort and postural support throughout the night. Each spring reacts independently, adapting to your body shape and weight to maintain an optimum level of support for a relaxing and restful night. Extra deep, sumptuous layers of natural, breathable cashmere, wool and cotton provide supreme comfort, keeping you cool in summer and warm in winter.

    Hand tufted and finished with a super soft touch Belgian damask cover, our Durham mattress is an excellent choice for fine quality and luxury.

    Specifications:
    – 2400 double layer pocket spring mattress
    – Key fillings: natural cashmere, wool and cotton
    – Traditional wool tufting with soft touch Belgian damask cover
    – Comfort grade 3 – Medium Firm

    Key phrases to call into question are;
    1. Extra deep, sumptuous layers of natural, breathable cashmere, wool and cotton.
    2. – Key fillings: natural cashmere, wool and cotton

    Now, How deep is extra deep? The ONLY accurate way the amount of upholstery used is by the GSM – Read Here. The two phrases above are absolutely meaningless without a gsm attached. So what questions should you be asking the retailer?

    1. What is the entire upholstery weight by gsm of this particular mattress
    2. What is the breakdown of the key fillings – Cashmere / wool / Cotton
    3. Are these standalone components or are they a blend of all three?
    4. If standalone what is the gsm of each component?
    5. If a blend what is the gsm?
    6. You say ‘Key Fillings” – what are the supplementary fillings?
    7. Is this a one sided or two sided mattress? Not in the description.

    Dreams customer support calls use an 0844 number so I wouldn’t even bother with the expense to call to ask these questions. The owners Sun European may have the facility to transfer you direct to the person who can answer these questions – they can be reached on 020 7318 1100.

    I’m sorry Cas, if you were looking for some level of assurance about either of these products I’m afraid I can’t give it. I’m sorry this does not help you but I’m sure your experience will help many others. John and Ryan

    Submitted on 2014/03/14 at 21:55
    Many thanks for your informative reply. I do hope other people can learn from my mistakes. I should have found your excellent site earlier I would then have had a good mattress and saved a fortune.
    Thanks again
    cas

  • Emma Tranter says:

    Thank you so much for an informative article that is also enjoyable to read.
    I found buying a mattress to be a huge commitment and a difficult decision, especially as it’s so hard for me to recall how one mattress feels relative to another in different shops.
    I was torn between a Loaf mattress with 2,200 springs which I thought was very comfortable and John Lewis’ natural range in which the prices rise according to quantity of springs – from a minimum of 4,000 up to as many as 12,000 springs per kingsize mattress.
    Having read your article, I’ve ignored numbers and gone with the one that I found most comfortable to lie on – and I feel hugely reassured that ‘only’ 2,200 springs is not a factor.

    So thank you.

  • mohd says:

    Hi
    after going through so many search ingine to find which mattres is best for me i bumped into your sight and after reading i found very informotive.
    my question is
    I’m 13st and my partner is 12st
    i cant decide between 2000 and 3000 spring
    which one you recomond?
    Regards
    Submitted on 2014/07/05 at 06:10

    Hi forgot to mention
    I have seviour rumthied Arthrites
    and tried memory foam mattres and arthopidic mattress before but knew nothing about mattress just feel when buying, so far struggle to find the right mattress.
    please adive


    Hi Mohd,
    We do not have any mattresses with more than 2000 springs and are therefore unable to advise on the suitability of a mattress with a greater number of spring in. Likewise, without knowing your preferred feel and budget, we cannot advise on a mattress in our ranges. Please call either Marie or Gary to discuss the options available. Regards Mike.

  • shailesh says:

    I want to purchase pocket spring mattress in india pls suggest me one size78 by 72 by 6 inches thks your article is very informative


    Hi Shailesh, We only supply to the UK mainland and so on this occasion, we are unable to assist. Regards Mike

  • Trevor says:

    Looking for a new mattress. FANTASTIC INFORMATION many thanks.


    Hi Trevor,
    Please call either Marie or Gary on our office number to discuss your specific requirements. Regards Mike.

  • Mr W R Scotland says:

    Need a price for two single mattress firm size 1m x 2m. Supply and delivered to Eastbourne plus time between purchase and delivery.


    Hi,
    Because you require a bespoke size (normal singles are 3ft wide and 6ft 3in long) and you have not provided weight details, preferred feel and budget, it would be more appropriate for you to call in and we can then advise on all points raised. Kind regards Mike

  • Grant Till says:

    Hi,
    Having read all the information , in your great website,I’m still confused as to the best mattress to buy.i have decided to buy a strung pocket mattress, however the problem I have is that I am 145 kg where as my partner is only 65kg so not sure if there is a mattress that would suit us both. My budget would be in the mid range if possible. Hope you can guve me some advice on this matter thank you


    Hi Grant, The major obstacle for you is the weight differential. However, having said that, you might wish to consider buying a zip and link set from our Artisan range, which can be provided in different tensions appropriate to the required feel and to accommodate your weights. If you would like to give us a call we can discuss this and make more specific recommendations. Regards Mike.

  • Nabila says:

    Help please!
    I have been looking at matresses for 2 weeks now and my head is about to explode! I have no idea which ones to get!
    I require a single one for my 15month old son. I figured I may aswell move him into a single rather than getting a cotbed. Now I want something that will last and is not too hard but not too soft. I don’t want him over heating either. Iv looked at sprung matresses with memory foam and read that it isn’t really recommended for kids so thought I’d go down the latex route but they seem so expensive. I don’t want to spend over £180 for a single.
    I also require a small double for my 6yr old girl and unsure what to get for her
    Please help as I can’t read any more info on mattresses!!!
    Thank you


    Hi Nabila, unfortunately, it is unlikely that you will find a good quality single bed size mattress for your son for the budget of £180.00. We are aware that Ikea do stock some children’s mattresses, although we are unable to comment as to the quality and durability of those mattresses. I am sorry that we could not help further at this time. Regards Mike.

  • Sarah says:

    Help

    I need to buy a new mattress. I’ve been looking at the dura super latex 1000 pocket spring mattress which come with 3 inches of latex on the top on a deal website for £230. Is this a good mattress? I’m not sure what type of mattess I like but I don’t want a hard one or one that’s super soft. I get sleep sweats so I’m staying away from memory foam. Would you suggest this or a plain 2000 or 3000 pocket sprung mattess and what’s the difference

    Thank you
    Submitted on 2014/11/06 at 21:49

    Btw I’m just over 9st and I’ll be buying a double for the new bed frame I have


    Hi Sarah,
    We are not a comparison site and are unable to give recommendations regarding beds seen on various discount voucher sites. What we would say however, is that there is very little information available regarding the beds you have selected and we would always recommend doing a full search of the internet to see if there are any sites selling the discounted mattress at the original recommended retail price, I have a guess that you are unlikely to find any such sites. Please see the section on our site regarding mattresses with attached toppers known as pillow tops. If you want a pocket sprung mattress with a medium feel, please view the Origins Pocket 1500 on our site. If you require further advice as the suitability of this mattress for you, please call either Marie or Gary on our office number. Regards Mike.

  • SJ says:

    Hi Guys, Hope you can help. I have a leg with fixed knee and the hip in that leg is starting to cause pain when sleeping . I sleep on both sides but when on the side with the fixed leg it causes pain from an ache in the hip to pain around the knee (presumably the nerve).

    I’ve a 190mm Sleepeezee viscoluxe 5000 mattress at the moment but I can’t work out if it’s too firm causing pressure on the hip or too soft and bottoming out. I’m 18 st (which doesn’t help) and the bedstead is a slatted base with no ‘spring’ in the wood slats.

    Any suggestions on what may be the best on a budget up to £600?

    Thanks.


    Hi Steve, Having looked at the specification of the mattress you currently have I note that it is described as a soft mattress containing memory foam. Given your weight, we would not have advised a soft tension mattress and in addition, with your budget, the choice will be limited. We are unable to make recommendations regarding products other than our own because there is limited information available regarding construction and content. Your budget means that from our products the items in our Origins range may be appropriate, however, we would ask that you call our office to obtain specific advice regarding the items in that range and their suitability. I hope that this helps, regards Mike.

  • Gareth says:

    Hi. Looking to replace a king size memory foam mattress (complete nightmare… can only sleep in one position, hanging off the bed!) with a pocket sprung one. I’m twice the size and weight of my wife (19st to 10st) so we need something that wont “catapult” her into the air when I turn over. Will the number of pockets depend on this requirement?


    Hi Gareth, All pocket sprung mattresses should allow for the movement of one party without a catapult effect, although perhaps to avoid this entirely, you might consider opting for a zip and link set. The advantage of this is that you can obtain these in different tensions allowing for the weight differential. This option of different tensions is only available in our Artisan range and the spring count in this range is between 1476 and 2508 dependent upon model. I trust that this helps, but if you have any further queries, please call our office. Kind regards Mike.

  • Dushana says:

    Hi

    I was hoping for advice for the best mattress for a 3.5y old. He’s just about to get a ‘big bo’y single bed and am confused about the best mattress to get. Have read I should go for medium/firm as he’s growing. I expect him to have it for at least 10 years so need to choose one that will support him as he gets heavier.

    thanks
    Dushana


    Hi Dushana, No doubt your child is quite light weight at present and I note that you expect to use the mattress until they are in their early teens. I would suggest that you look at our Origins Comfort 1000 mattress, which is soft in the top layers. Whilst your child is still quite light, you may wish to purchase a topper so that the feel is softer and as they get older you could remove the topper as the weight increases. If you require any further advice in relation to this mattress, please do not hesitate to contact our office by phone. Kind regards Mike.

  • Dushana says:

    Sorry just to doublecheck – does the 1000 countapply to the single mattress you recommend or is it pro-rata? thanks


    Hi Dushana,
    The spring count on singles is pro-rata as it would be impossible to cram 1000 full size pocket springs into a single mattress. Regards Mike.

  • Dushana says:

    I was actually looking at another mattress in John Lewis and can’t decide which ones better. Sorry I know its a bit cheeky but what do you think?

    regards


    Hi Dushana, It is impossible for us to provide any form of recommendation in respect of the mattresses you are looking at as John Lewis do not provide specific details of the upholstery layers by way of GSM (grams per square metre), instead the information provided is vague and merely states it has components of wool etc. If you view the Origins Comfort 1000 on our site, you will see that there is a detailed breakdown of the component layers. Sorry that I can not be more helpful, regards Mike.

  • Gary says:

    Hi,

    I’ve been looking around for reviews of 2 mattresses I’ve seen and came across your site.
    The mattresses are Hypnos Milford and TheraPur Affinity Mattress – Medium both kingsize.
    I was wondering if you have had any experiences of these mattresses or reviews from people, or in your opinion which which would be a better mattress?

    Thanks.


    Hi Gary,
    As you are no doubt aware, there is very little, if any, information available from the manufacturer in respect of the construction or upholstery layers in the mattresses you refer to. In addition, we are unable to provide any specific advice as to the suitability of these mattresses and with such limited information from you, this makes it even more difficult to advise. However, should you require any advice regarding our products, please do not hesitate to contact us. Kind regards Mike.

  • Sara says:

    Hello I’m looking to purchase the mattress from travelodge which is the Sleepeeze dreamer but it only says 950 sprung. I need a double size for my husband and I. I would like to know more on what you think of it as I can’t find any reviews, we love the ones used in the Travelodge which are a luxury king size so will the double be equally as nice although smaller?

    Many thanks
    Sara


    Hi Sara,
    As you are no doubt aware, there is very little, if any, information available from the manufacturer in respect of the construction or upholstery layers in the mattress you refer to. Likewise, we can only search reviews in the same way you can, so if there are none available, we cannot assist. However, it would be reasonable to expect that the build quality of a double would be the same as the king size. Kind regards Mike.

  • mohammed says:

    hi
    I m having issues with taping the pocket spring mattress as the taping is not straight.
    please advise what should I do for a straight tapping


    Hi Mohammed,
    I am afraid I am unsure as to what your query refers. Please call our office to clarify. Regards Mike.

  • Jack says:

    Hi there,

    I’m fortunate to have a french girlfriend, although she has convinced me to go with a European size 160×200. ( extra difficult to find in the uk)

    We may be able to pick up a mattress in Paris but we’re getting confused by the difference in pocket sprung count specification. Our understanding is that you should really start from the 1000 mark to get a semi-decent matress.

    Although in france, high end mattresses seem to be around 600 springs count for for 140×190???

    Could you shed any light on this? We are keen save money by buying in France but still confused as to the quality.

    Many thanks

    Jack

    Hi Jack, It all depends on the size and turn count of springs. What we usually say is 1000 in a king size is the average figure you should be concerning yourself with. Anything less will be that the springs will have to be bigger meaning the flexibility is reduced in a king size. However if you go too far say 3000 springs then these are going to be really small springs, I’d question their quality also you end up with much more metal in your bed with tiny springs every where. It’s kind of a common sense scale issue. Without the exact components of the model you have found I couldn’t unfortunately make any comparisons to our own hand crafted mattresses Jack.

  • Mike says:

    Hello,

    what is better..a queen size mattress with 1800 spring coils(dual layer-900 per layer) or a queen size with 1008 single pocket coil springs. Please provide an explanation as to why one is better than the other.

    Thanks

    Hi Mike, They are both completely different construction methods for a start, a dual layer gives more bounce, with springs reacting on top of springs. I’d need to know exactly what the tensile strength and number of turns each spring has to do any real comparison, also what upholstery layers are sitting on top of them. It also depends on your weight, the feel you’re going for etc etc You can see theres many more metrics needed other than so many springs vs another many springs! If you have this info we can provide further advice but its too limited at the moment I’m afraid. Lee

  • ANGELA DUNSIRE says:

    I am torn between two mattresses to replace our rather soft memory foam mattress. 1) The Highgrove |kingsize Richmond 2000 pocket sprung mattress – with a knitted comfort top of natural materials

    “and 2) a Kayflex Sapphire Kingsize 1500 pocket sprung mattress with layers of memory foam/latex with coolgel and knitted type cover

    The no 1) feels firmer (although is supposed to b e a Medium comfort level) but because it is 2000 pocket sprung I am concerned it will be too firm as I am quite thin and bony.

    No. 2) is supposed to be firm I thinkj, but because it has memory foam and latex in it as well and is only 1500 it feels more comfortable. But it this a particularly good make of mattress with a good name?

    My husband incidentally is 12 1/2 stone so there is a need for the mattress to prevent me being disturbed by his movements in bed and rolling together as much as poss.

    please advise as soon as you can as we need to change the mattress soon.

    Angie Dunsire


    Hi Angela,
    Dealing with the mattresses you refer to in order, I would advise the following :-
    The 2000 springs in the Highgrove mattress will make it feel firm for both of you, assuming you are lighter than your husband. There are no specific details provided with regard to the upholstery layers in this mattress, by way of GSM (grams per square metre), which makes any form of comparison or recommendation impossible.
    As far as the Kayflex is concerned, whilst it only has 1500 pocket springs, it is comprised of memory foam and reflex foam, the latter of which is likely to make the mattress firmer than your current mattress. Again with this mattress the description is somewhat vague as it does not detail the density of the foams used.
    For people with body weights of 10 to 12 1/2 stone, we would recommend a soft to medium feel and both these mattresses are likely to be on the firm side.
    Because of the lack of information available in respect of each of these mattress, I cannot advise whether they are a good make or not, although of the two, I would think that if you can get the Highgrove with 1500 springs, this may be more appropriate. What I would say is that if you want to avoid the disturbance during the night, you look at purchasing a zip and link set, which would provide an independent sleeping surface for you both. I trust that this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • Clare clarke says:

    I’m trying to find out if a pocket sprung mattress can be stored on its side ? It will be stored like that for approximately 2 months

    Hi Clare,
    The short answer is no, it should be stored flat to spread the weight evenly and avoid any of the springs becoming deformed. Regards Mike.

  • Christine Suss says:

    thinking of buying a mattress on Groupon: Imperial 3500 Memory Foam and Pocket Sprung Mattress by Happy Bed- good price reduction but is it a good mattress?

    Made with a combination of memory foam and reflex foam
    Supported by high count pocket springs
    Crafted using double Jersey knitted fabric
    50mm memory foam combined with 50mm reflex foam
    Mattress tension: medium level of support
    Single 3ft: 190cm (L) x 90cm (W); Weight: 19kg
    Double 4ft 6”: 190cm (L) x 135cm (W); weight: 30kg

    Many thanks


    Hi Christine,
    I have been on Happy Beds site and cannot find any further information in respect of the mattress you refer to. I note you have not advised what the price of the mattress is or your body weight. With such limited information it’s not possible for us to provide an opinion as to value for money or whether it is a good mattress or not. Memory foam is notorious for heat retention and if you do not want to overheat at night, I would avoid any mattresses with this included.

    If you are set on purchasing a foam or latex mattress with pocket springs, please view the items on http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk and in particular the Hybrid 6 or 7 and the Fusion 0. Once you have viewed these, if you require any further more specific advice as to suitability, please call our office. Kind regards Mike.

  • Leigh says:

    I have also been thinking of buying a mattress on Groupon.

    2000 Pocket Sprung Mattress

    The Specifics
    Hand-tufted pocket sprung mattress
    Handmade in the UK
    High pocket spring count for individual, targeted support
    Hard-wearing woven Belgian damask material cover, soft to touch
    Medium-to-firm tension
    Handles and vents on side panels
    Support around the edges
    Suitable for all types of bed frames and bases
    Mattress layers made of synthetic fibres

    Do you think this would be a suitable mattress. My husband is around 18 and a half stone and myself a couple of stone lighter than that. Our bedframe is King Size so that would be the size we’d buy. I would also appreciate if you could recommend which mattress you think would be more suitable if not that one. Thanks.


    Hi Leigh,
    I cannot provide an opinion as to whether the mattress you have seen on Groupon is suitable mattress for you both as the description is extremely vague particularly in terms of upholstery layers. In addition, it is difficult to recommend an alternative from our ranges without knowing your preferred feel and budget. Having said that, please view the products in our Origins range and then contact our office to obtain more specific advice as to suitability. Kind regards Mike.

  • Tony Rumble says:

    I have been recently looking for a mattress and have been surprised by the different number of spring counts. an example of which is the John Lewis range which goes up to 14000 springs. How do they do that and would it be any better or more comfortable than yours?


    Hi Tony,
    The way that they manage to get the spring count up to that level is by having layers of mini springs in addition to the usual sized pocket springs. The layers of mini springs take the place of upholstery layers and whilst in some cases, this may feel beneficial, there is no evidence to show that such a system of springing is better than the traditional pocket springing. In some respects the level of springs disclosed as 14000 is a marketing ploy as most people will think that more is better. In fact, in a normal king size mattress 1000 springs are sufficient to provide the level of support required by people of average body weights.

    In summary therefore, it is not the spring count you ought to be looking at but the levels of upholstery provided as the upholstery layers are responsible for the comfort of the mattress. I trust that this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • Edwina Channon says:

    At the beginning of 2001 we bought a King Koil Contourpaedic Latex mattress, which now has two distinct hollows in it, and which needs replacing, but are completely befuddled as to our needs. We always fancied a latex mattress but they’re a bit expensive, so now we are looking at pocketed springs. We are not young, I am 8 stone, have back problems and fibromyalgia, which means painful muscles and ligaments. My husband is 11 1/2 stone with hip problems. Could you please advise as to the degree of firmness and number of pocketed springs which would be best for us? We don’t want the mattress too firm, but do need a firm edge to it. Any recommendations would be gratefully received.


    Hi Edwina,
    Having noted the weight differential, we would normally recommend a soft tension spring for you and a medium for your husband. With a standard king size mattress 1000 springs are sufficient to afford the correct amount of support for people of your body weights. It is difficult to advise on a suitable mattress from our ranges without knowing your preferred feel and budget. If you would like to call our office with this information, we will be able to suggest an appropriate product. We look forward to hearing from you, kind regards Mike.

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