Who owns Vi Spring beds?

This is a Who’s Whom in the mattress industry ..

Many mattress brands belong to the same holding or investment company and trying to figure out who owns what has become a labour of love for us.  But why is this important to know?

Firstly, as mattress construction techniques develop, it becomes apparent that the internal components of many mattresses are identical – but sold under differing brand names and of course prices. Knowing this gives you the opportunity to be able to identify similar specifications and selecting the manufacturer that offers the best value for money mattress.

Mattress Brands

We are all familiar with the scenario of trainers where the “pester power” of children sees us paying more than four or five times the real worth just for a brand name. Buying a mattress purely based on a brand name is just as ludicrous. The components used in ALL mattresses only come from a handful of specialist suppliers – ALL manufacturers use these self same suppliers – whether you have heard of them or not.

Looking at the make up of the industry below, it does throw up some quite obvious anomalies. Namely, if Steinhoff owns The Staples Brand, The Myers Brand, The Dunlopillo Brand etc – why are they not prominent within the stores they own? Take Bensons for example: (Aug 2013) A search for Myers = No products found. A search for Staples = No products found. A search for Dunlopillo  =  Only three models.  Apart from a few brands from The Silentnight Group – Sealy and Silentnight, the Bensons site seem to be propagated with the Sleepmaster Brand and the Sensaform Brand – Brand names that are only found within the Benson’s stores. Interesting!

The Silentnight Group is also an interesting Corporation to study. Obviously they do not have their own stores and partner up with many High Street notables such as Argos, Tesco, Sainsbury, Carpetright and numerous independents. Now, as detailed throughout this site there are only so many combinations of spring and upholstery combinations you can put together to significantly differentiate one mattress from another. So how can there be so many Silentnight models out there under differing model names that can be realistically judged to be completely and significantly different?

The size of the mattress industry is absolutely immense.  In the UK there are well over a hundred bed and mattress manufacturers some big and some small,  many of whom are based in the Yorkshire area,  known to be the mattress capital of the country. With this in mind, it becomes an arduous task trying to differentiate the manufacturers who are worthy of investigation and those who just churn out cheap mattresses for the budget market.

When you decide to ‘buy a new mattress’ we are aware that as the purchase is a once in a decade decision you will have no idea where or how to start your search. The manufacturers listed below are deemed to be the main players within the industry and should be used as a starting point in your research. As we said at the start, knowing which brands belong to whom will help in this search as many corporations may not want you to know this.

 

Hilding Anders Group (Sweden)
[Backed by British private equity group Candover]

Jensens Beds – Hilding Anders
Ikea (Own Label – Tbc)

Note: Hilding Anders sold the following brands to Steinhoff International in April 2013

Dunlopillo
Slumberland
Horatio Myers
Staples

Silentnight Group
[Now in the hands of new US owner, private equity firm HIG]
Silentnight – Silentnight Group
Layezee – Silentnight Group
Sealy UK – Silentnight Group – Licensed
Pocket Spring Bed Company – Silentnight Group
Rest Assured – Silentnight Group
Stearns and Foster – Silentnight Group

Harrison Spinks Ltd (Spinko Ltd)
Somnus
– Harrison Spinks Beds
Nu-Bed – Harrison Spinks Beds (May 2013: No online info – may have been withdrawn)
Harrison – Harrison Spinks Beds
Spink and Edgar – Harrison Spinks Beds
John Lewis (Own label)  –  Harrison Spinks Beds -[ Plus others ]

Sun European [Private equity Group]
ScS [95 Stores] – Online: Sleep Centre Branding
Dreams – As of May 2013

Highgate Beds Ltd (UK)
Highgate

Healthopaedic – Highgate Beds
Sleepwise – Highgate Beds
Sleeping Comfort – Highgate Beds
Sleepmode – Highgate Beds

Simmons Group- (Parent Company – Cauval Industries [fr] )
Simmons
– Simmons Group
Sleepeeze – Simmons Group
Cumfilux – Simmons Group
Nestledown – Simmons Group

Steinhoff (UK) International Holdings Ltd
Homestyle Operations Ltd
JW Carpenter Ltd
[tbc – In one way or another the following brands / stores are intrinsically linked through the above companies]

Relyon [Brand] (Steinhoff)
Dunlopillo [Brand] – Bought from Hilding Anders April 2013
Slumberland [Brand] – Bought from Hilding Anders April 2013
Horatio Myers [Brand] – Bought from Hilding Anders April 2013
Staples [Brand] – Bought from Hilding Anders April 2013
Sprung Slumber [Brand] (tbc– Steinhoff)

Bensons for Beds (Homestyle Operations)
Sleepmasters (Steinhoff – Rebranded as Bensons For Beds [Jan 2012)
The Bed Shed (Steinhoff – Rebranded as Bensons For Beds – Jan 2012)
Harveys (Homestyle Operations / Steinhoff International [tbc] )
Cargo (Homestyle Operations / JW Carpenter)
Homestyle (Homestyle Operations  / JW Carpenter)
Reid Furniture (Steinhoff)

Keen and Toms Holdings Ltd
Hypnos (Royal warrant holder)

Millbrook Beds Ltd
Millbrook
The Handmade Bed Company (For Furniture Village / Selfridges etc)

Flex Equipos De Descanso, S.A.
Vi-Spring Ltd 
(our Artisan Bespoke is a great ViSpring Alternative)
And So To Bed
ES Kluft and Co – 51% share as of June 2013

Airsprung Furniture Group Plc

Airsprung
Gainsborough Beds
Hush Sleep Collection
Hush-a-Bye
Gainsborough Sofa Beds
Swanglen Furnishings (Bought out of admin June 13)
Cavendish Upholstery
Airofreem (Foam Supplier)

Kaymed
Kaymed
King Koil
Odearest
Kaymed SleepSpa
Kaymed Wellbeing
Kaymed Foam

Breasley Consumer Products Ltd (UK)
[Manufactures for many own label retailers]
Breasley
Salus
Naked Beds

Accolade
Flexcell
Amor
Postureform

Healthbeds[Family owned (Smeaton family)]

Burgess Beds – Bespoke manufacturer

Savoir Beds – Exclusive Bespoke manufacturer

GNG Group
Komfi
Implay
Dream Machine

Please Note: This is not a full and comprehensive list and all subsidiary’s may not be included. Any errors or omission will be rectified as soon as possible upon receiving  instruction. Please address all correspondence to admin@johnryanbydesign.co.uk

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  • andrew acker says:

    have looked at a salus 1500 in superking can you recommend something similar??
    Hi Andrew, Can you supply the exact specification of this model. As you know, this is not openly available on the internet but i am assuming you have visited a shop to find this model. A similar spec model is The Breasley flexcell pocket 1600 – I am led to believe that the same internal components are used (cannot understand why the spring count is different though) and only the ticking is different. Let me know what you find out. John.

  • Angie Burton says:

    Hi John

    My husband and I are looking to purchase from [***] a Salus 1500 Pocket sprung memory foam mattress. They are offering it for £629 but we are not sure if this is a good price or not, as we can’t seem to find it anywhere else? We also would like to buy a solid oak bed frame that is from [***] at £389 called [***], not sure if you can offer me anything identical. Both are Kingsize. Thank you for your help. Angie.
    Hi Angie, Salus are only available in stores so you wont find them anywhere else, particularly not the internet. You are asking if a 1500 (encapsulated) pocket sprung mattress – with 75mm memory foam comfort layer is worth £629?. The thing to remember with the Salus brand is that they are not a cheap product and I assume targetted to the higher end market. You can certainly buy a 1500 pocket sprung 75mm memory foam mattress for half that price .. But, the quality of finish and detailing will not even come close. Is this important to you? As a further note, I have to say that the quality of the divan bases from Salus are amongst the best I have seen in a mass production factory.
    This is in no way an endorsement for the ‘worth‘ of the mattress / bed. I just recognise that the quality of fabric and finish of these products deserve recognition. But is it worth £629? Take a look at the Breasley Flexcell Pocket 1600 and the only percievable difference will be the fabric covering and detailing – which is probably what is enticing you to The Salus 1600 in the first place. After all Breasley is the parent company of Salus.

    As for the bedframe, I don’t know this model in particular but for a solid oak kingsize frame (if that is what it is!) it’s not excessively overpriced although I have seen similar models elsewhere for the £330 mark. A quick search for Kingsize oak bedframes will throw up some viable alternatives. John.

  • martin bowker says:

    Hi
    After reading a couple of your q&a above. What is the difference between the Salus 1500 pocket sprung memory and the Flexcell pocket 1600? I am aware they are both made by the same firm but are you saying the only difference is the cover and finishing, which is superficial and you don’t see this anyhow when the bed is made up? Are they as comfortable as each other.
    Thanks. Martin.
    Hi Martin. Easy question – difficult answer. If the innards are exactly the same (and I cant understand why the count is different 1500 and 1600 when the FEPS are the same) then it stands to reason that the comfort level should be the same. However, the ticking as used on The Salus model is absolutely premium – well padded and well quilted, often the initial draw to this particular range. And it is because of this one particular element that a slight difference in comfort is/could be perceived. I have not personally tried them both side by side at the same time, so cannot answer your question with any degree of certainty. But, the logical side of me tells me that there should be no ‘major‘ perceivable difference – how can there be? It would be [so very] interesting to see what the salesman who have both models in the shop says in response! Let me know what you conclude. John.

  • gerry says:

    i have just purchased from display
    autograph mattress m500 med from m&s reduced to £200 from £749 I I now need a base can you advise? divan or bed stead.
    Hi Gerry, A nice bargain. Bedstead of course. Most divan bases are rubbish. John.

  • gerry says:

    can you advise —divan or bedstead,( not self assembly )
    Hi Gerry. I’m afraid I’ll need a little more than this – No such thing as a non assembly bedstead. Hope this helps. John

  • Sue says:

    Hi
    I have been searching on the web for some time now looking for a good well made mattress with luxury fabric for around £800 (Divan or bedstead included). I have found a mattress that I like that is double sided with good hand side stitching, pocket springs and Medium tension, these specs are important to me. I am also looking to buy a divan base with a sprung edge for extra comfort. Do you think that the sprung edge really makes a difference to the feel and comfort, or am I better off with a bedstead. Also the mattress that I am looking to buy is the hypnos baronet or princess mattress, but they are very expensive, is there anything similar with the same specs for a cheaper price? I am based in the south.
    Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Sue.
    Hi Sue, I can’t find precise details of the actual natural fibre content of the mattresses you mention from Hypnos. I have a model that I have recently developed and added to the site – The Sequence 2000 – 11″ deep / soft silk content knit fabric / two sided / comprises of 2000 Pocket Springs Hand side stitched / Reflex layer above spring unit (as bridging for longevity) / a premium weight cotton blend pad as the primary layer (1200gsm) final thin layer of polyester as a measure to prevent any posible migration of fibres through the fabric See video here http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk/sequence-2000-details. Take it from me this cotton weight is absolutely premium and I would be surprised if the fillings content in the Hynos models you mention would be anywhere near this specification.
    As a guide I will be retailing the double mattress in the region of £540.
    With regard to the sprung edge base, read the post on spring edging
    You didn’t mention the size you require, if you give me a call or drop me a mail I can help further. John.

  • Maggie says:

    Hi there! Just come across your very informative web site and hoping you can give me some advice regarding mattresses. Have started looking for a king size to be used on a sprung wooden slatted base. Our budget is £500 and even though both my husband and I are small, we still like a fairly firm mattress. Three that we have tried out in a local indep store in South Wales were Salus Memory Pocket 1200 Cool Touch £485, Slumberland Support Memory 1200 £459 and Gainsborough Adele £379. Open to other suggestions by yourselves. Thanks a lot.
    Hi Maggie. the three matts you are looking at are all pretty similar memory foam matts (except the Adele being Reflex or other supportive foam rather than memory foam) and so the way to choose which is best is to break down the internal parts to see who is offering you more for your money rather than choosing between brand names. Personally I would say have a look at The Origins 1500 Pocket Latex which is latex rather than memory foam as it is in a similar price range. John

  • Mr D Carter says:

    I have been looking at your site with great interest. I have been looking at Millbrook beds and the various comibinations of upholstery and fillings has mnade my job very hard.

    My wife and I like Firm mattresses and have a budget of up to £700 ish.

    Can you advise of your mattresses which ones compare to the Millbrook Neptune and Saturn. I was all set to buy their Saturn mattress until I found the latex layer is just 15mm on each side!!
    Thanks for your help.

    Hi Damian, I have just spent more time than I have to spare trying to find the most basic details of the two mattresses you mention above. How bloody more frustrating can it get when even the manufacturer can’t be bothered or even care enough to at least offer some level of basic detail. They describe The Saturn for example as: Luxurious natural layers of soft lambswool and luxurious pure latex provide a sleeping surface like no other for the perfect nights sleep. The mattress is finished with 3 rows of traditional hand side stitching to the mattress borders.
    Are they treating their potential customers like idiots? Are they so embarrassed by the lack of / low level of / substandard grade of / minimal amount of / fillings that they have to resort to this underhanded and quite frankly utterly deceptive way of advertising their products.
    In my opinion Millbrook as an established company and manufacturer of esteem does not have to stoop to this level. I expect it from Silentnight, Sealy and other so called ‘brands’ that have to make pigs ears sound like silk purses but Millbrook [and Harrisons etc] don’t. Millbrook introduced their Planets range to showcase the craftsmanship of their company by making this range available to Internet retailers – many of their other models are only available through specialist mattress showrooms. They [and other manufacturers] have realised that internet sales have now become a major outlet and because of trading conditions have to at least dip their toe in the e-commerce water. Also, as a manufacturer with such a reputation that has been built through word of mouth rather than concocted through advertising agencies, they should also be a little bit more vigilant on how their products are being sold online. From the handful of sites I visited in order to answer your question as best I can, I found that some sites are advertising The Saturn as having 30mm Latex each side, Layers of resilient polyester, 3 rows Hand side stitching, 4 rows hand side stitching, Wool and Silk and other discrepancies that just does not seem to be totally accurate.
    The sad thing is, is the fact that on the face of it The Saturn seems to be a well crafted mattress for the average asking price of around £700 (Double) particularly IF the latex layers were indeed 30mm each side and the wool WAS indeed luxurious natural LAYERS. But … , without a fair, concise and accurate breakdown of the actual specification how on earth can I, or indeed anyone else know for sure what I am spending my money on, or have they got something to hide?
    It must be said that Millbrook are not the only manufacturer to succumb to these practices. It is the scourge of the industry and until people like yourself start questioning retailers and manufacturers exactly what these fundamental specification details are then unfortunately it will carry on. John.

  • Damian Carter says:

    In response to your feedback I managed to get this from Millbrook about the two beds that interested me:
    Saturn:
    Hypo-allergenic interliner
    Layer of resilient polyester 235gsm
    30mm latex (on each side) 2x15mm
    Topped with layer of soft lambswool 300gsm
    Pom Pom tufts
    Twofold high quality jacquard woven damask

    Jupiter:
    Hypo allergenic interliner
    Luxurious layer of resilient cotton and polyester 1000gsm
    Resilient layer of polyester 235gsm
    Luxurious pashmina topper pad 500gsm
    Pom Pom tufts
    Twofold high quality jacquard woven damask

    I like the Millbrook Bed and through **** through a cashback site I can get 20% off. Which puts the Saturn into our price bracket quite nicely. However I’d be interesed to know of your beds which comes closest.

    I do admit after spending days/weeks reviewing these beds most manufacturers detail on their beds is very poor.

    Hi Damian, as you can see, once you know the breakdown of any mattress, comparisons become easier and far less frustrating. You now have the opportunity not only to compare like for like on price but also have the essential knowledge to see if you can find mattresses with even more fillings for an equivalent price.

    As for The Saturn, I would still be asking for complete clarity as to the latex layers. Is it actually two layers totalling 30mm EACH SIDE or two layers totalling 30mm on the complete mattress – 15mm each side?

    As a point of note and again because you now have what I call essential information you are also in a position to gauge how much of a mattress is wadding and how much is air. Take the Jupiter for example. consists of three wadding components;
    1000gsm Cotton/Poly
    235gsm Polyester
    500gsm Pashmina pad
    So the total weight of combined upholstery per square meter equals 1735gsm.

    Armed with this information you can now see whether you can get even more for your money. The Jupiter has 3 rows hand side stitching, an expensive detail. By narrowing your search to a mattress that has two rows of hand side stitching, will you be able to get more ‘insides’ for a similar price, such as double the amount of cotton or an extra layer of wool?

    And finally, the most important thing to bear in mind is whether this or indeed ANY mattress is going to be suitable for you and your partners bodyweight / sleeping habits as well as your wallet?

    As for what I would offer, I would pitch my Sequence 2000 latex against The Saturn or my Hybrid 2000 against The Jupiter.

    Thanks for your comment Damian, in time I hope that all manufacturers will be detailing specs to a greater degree. Please let me know what you decide upon. John

  • David Lawson says:

    We have seen a Spink & Edgar Elite cashmere 6ft x 6ft 6ins bed with zipped and electrically lifting head ends. It seemed VERY comfortable, but Very expensive. Can you sell us the same specifications much cheaper. We would be very interested if you could.

    (150 cm bed has 13,000 spring count, 4 side stiching rows, tencil fabric, cotton, Egyptian cotton, British wool, Mohair, Superior handteased blend of Hempure, Horse Hair, Silk and Cashmere, 16 air vents). All sounds very impressive from John Lewis

    Hi David. Sorry, but short answer is No.

    A point to note is that only Harrisons use Hemp[ure] in their blends as well as an actual component part. Something else to consider and not usually at the forefront of your mind when trying electric adjustable mattresses is that there is no perimeter support other than HSS (Hand Side Stitching). Therefore if you sit on the edge of the mattress [socks on syndrome] you will find the mattress depression is probasbly more than you will be used to. This applies to all matttresses utilising calico encased pocket springs (such as Vi-Spring etc) where the perimter banding has been removed, and although not a fault as such, it can be frustrating if through limited mobility sitting on the edge of the mattress becomes a balancing act, even more so when combined with a sprung edge base.

    As a point of note, for use with electric adjustable beds there is no way that perimeter banding can be used – otherwise there would be no flexibility when head or foot sections are raised so bear this in mind prior to purchase as we have seen normal pocket sprung matts sold with adjustable beds and they do have a tendency to slide and of course buckle when raised.

    We have our calico encased pocket spring mattresses manufactured with perimeter banding one spring row in. Ryan and I cannot understand why manufacturers like Vi-Spring et al remove this banding once the pocket springs are formed. the benefits of additional edge support far outweighs any reason to remove – except for the case of adjustables as outlined above.

    I am familiar with the model you mention and would recommend that you also look at other models in a similar price range that would be suitable for electric adjustables. This way you will have alternative options to consider. Rather than looking at spring counts – take note of the weight of the fillings and how they have been used.

    I’m afraid this is too vast a subject to sum up in a couple of paragraphs and we are working on posts (when time allows) to draw attention to the myriad of ‘ifs and buts’ of natural fibre mattresses, just as we have done with mass produced matts.

    I hope this helps, but as always please feel free to contact us again if you need clarification on any particular issue. John.

  • Anthony says:

    My wife and myself have recently been searching for a new mattress and have stumbled upon a minefield regarding the various different prices and selection there is available. After a great deal of research, we decided Pocket Sprung 2000 was our preference with a medium tension. Yesterday, we tried a *** mattress and found it to be very comfortable. It does boast Lambs Wool, Silk fillings but I cannot find out quantities. Do you have any experience in dealing with this mattress to make a judgement as to whether it’s worth the price tag It will be going on a wooden bedstead. Also, what of your range could you recommend us to? I’m around the 11 stone mark and a medium tension is a bit of a must for me. Many thanks.

    Hi Anthony. Not too sure about this. I’m going to do some investigating about quantities to see if all as it seems. Will mail you by the end of the week. Thanks John.
    Update: I have tried three times to email you on the email address supplied with our findings but this keeps getting returned to me. If this is a genuine inquiry please contact Ryan to take this further. John.

  • Eniko says:

    Hi,

    I am looking for a mattress with a smallish budget. I was told that pocket sprung will last long and comfortable and no roll together, so I was searching. I have found something in argos on sale but it is Airsprung. What is the difference between pocket sprung and airsprung?
    Would you say the one below is a good value for money? it’s on sale from £539 down to £569.
    Airsprung Oban Memory Foam Kingsize Mattress.

    Tall 12.5 gauge framed spring unit with layers of white polyester & foam fillings.

    •Medium firm feel.
    •12.5 gauge mattress with 350 springs.
    •Memory foam layer with knit cover.
    •Edge to edge support.
    •Fire retardant.
    •Mattress size W150, L200, D24.1cm.
    •Easy care no turn mattress.
    •Everyday use.

    Thank you

    Hi Eniko, I will answer your two questions in order:

    What is the difference between pocket sprung and airsprung?
    Airsprung is a brand name from Airsprung Beds. Targetted towards the low end. As you have already mentioned it is a 12.5 gauge spring unit which is of course just a cage sprung mattress. Pocket Springs is a type of spring system.

    Would you say the one below is a good value for money?
    No. I most certainly would not say it is good value for money.

    Eniko. Look at it this way. The most expensive mattress (double) currently for sale at Argos (Aug-11) is the Posturewise Memory Impression 200 Double Mattress for sale for £1099.99. Well overpriced and no doubt this will be shortly be reduced after the statutory open sale period has elapsed and offered at HALF PRICE or thereabouts – WOW! (Sarcastic)

    We offer a far superior in many ways 1500 Latex Double Mattress for £645.00 . [ Origins 1500 Latex ] Perhaps this one small example alone will indicate that you can get a lot more mattress for your money if you know what to look for.

    Give us a call and we will help you get the best mattress for your money. If you’ve got money to waste … Shop at Argos. John and Ryan.

  • roger gal says:

    i am looking for a good king size mattress that gives good support at the hips but lets the shoulder sink in any ideas would be greatful

    Hi Roger. Hip support should be in relation to your shoulders. say for example you weigh 16st, no great overall weight but when you lie down your hip area will be sinking in a lot deeper than your shoulders. If the mattress is too soft your spine will be thrown out of allignment – too firm and your hips will be balancing on top causing shoulder pressure.
    Without knowing weights it is imposible to steer you towards any particular mattress. Obviously, a pocket spring system should form the foundation of the mattress. Even without any kind of wadding whatsoever they will independantly adjust to your weight so your entire body will be using the tensions it needs. Firmer springs to accommodate a heavier bodyweight and softer springs to accommodate a lighter bodyweight. It has to be noted that [lower priced] mass produced pocket spring units do not usually have choice of tensions but generally suit the majority of people with the primary layers adjusting the tension . On the other hand, calico encased sewn units are built using three spring tensions soft / med / firm, or a combination of two tensions to suit the sleeper.

    The waddings will give the comfort, and once again the choice of upholstery will be dependant on the user and of course budget. the main upholstery in all lower priced models will be polyester [ aka, premium white fibre / hypoallergenic fibre and so on ] Natural fibres such as horsehair / cotton / wool etc come in at a price and so a judgement based on need and budget will have to be accounted for and probably some sort of compromise will have to be made.
    Give us a call and we can go through the options once we know your bodyweights and your budget. John and Ryan.

  • adrian garside says:

    Hi, I’ve been down at the local shop looking at the Salus 1500 and 1200 at 649 and 549 respectively to go on top of my old divan.

    Now I know I need to know more…probably need a new bed and a new mattress!

    Anyway – some details – I am 17st and lie on my side and have started to notice that my hips ache in the morning from pressure. My other half is probably 13st…she’d say a bit less I expect!

    We want a king size bed – do you have an equivilent of the Salus 1500? Do you have any other suggestions? Access isn’t an issue so no need for a zip together.

    And I guess I need to get rid of the divan now too…if so, my budget needs to cover a base as well…
    Cheers
    Adrian

    Hi Adrian, We do not sell The Salus range nor indeed any memory foam mattress. We find that the latex models we sell are far superior for an equvalent or even lesser price.

    Finding the correct mattress for you and your other half of equal comfort levels and support is quite tricky. However, as a starting point I would steer you towards The Origins Latex. Secondly, if your budget can stretch to The Artisan Naturals then that particular model can be made with a firmer spring tension for you and a medium spring tension on your partners side.

    As always, please feel free to give us a call if you want to discuss this further. John and Ryan.

  • Gill Williams says:

    Hi,
    Could really do with some advice please.
    I have a memory foam mattress it’s around 8 years old and now I am at the age where I am getting hot all the time ,added to the fact I suffer from a lot of severe lower back pain and occasional neck pain I think it may be time for a new mattress.
    I am so hot in bed ( with only a 4.5 tog quilt ) I am only sleeping for 2 hours before waking up and having to get out of bed to cool off.
    I was thinking of pocket sprung , any advice welcome please.
    Thank you.

    Hi Gill. As you know Memory Foam is really heat retentive, it is your body heat that softens the foam to make it adjust to your contours. No mattress will be able to relieve your symtoms totally, although steps can be taken to minimise them such as using cotton sheets and probably a cotton blanket rather than duvet (which tends to trap air rather than circulate).
    In the meantime whilst you are looking for a new mattress I would flip the mattress over and use the non sleep side with a duvet under your bottom sheet for the comfort layer. This will remove the memory foam foam discomfort and hopefully give you the assurance that it is the memory foam giving you the sleepless nights. John and Ryan.

  • Ferdinand Edwards says:

    Hello

    Your site provides excellent advice – thank you.

    I am looking for a firm ortho kingsize mattress which will lie on an unsprung divan base – budget is around £500. I have narrowed down my search to the following:

    Gainsborough Backcare Supreme 1250 pocket sprung
    Millbrook Ortho Spectrum 2000 pocket sprung
    Sleepeezee Platinum Ortho 1400 Firm
    Sleepeezee Backcare Ultimate 2000 pocket sprung

    What are your thoughts on the above and which is perceived as the best quality? I would also like the option of turning too. I currently have a John Lewis Ortho 2 but as a double, it is unfortunately proving to be too small – great quality, fairly firm mattress but wrong size.

    With thanks and regards
    Ferdinand Edwards

    Hi Ferdinand. I’m afraid I will have to ask you to reduce your enquiry to just two models. Ryan and I answer all the comments on this site in our spare time which nowadays is getting less and less.

    If you have found the John Lewis Ortho 2 satisfactory in the past, I wonder why you are not considering replacing with the same model but in a bigger size. John and Ryan.

  • Jillian says:

    Dear John,
    I’m wondering if you could please help me.

    For quite a good few years I’ve suffered mild back pain at night, however it was never overly uncomfortable and for a long time it was manageable. Previously I had a mild pain from time to time, however it wasn’t every night, it was only now and then. Two years ago we purchased a good quality kingsize memory foam mattress – since purchasing it my back pain has become chronic. I’m in absolute agony from around 3am onwards (after going to bed at around 11pm) and on many occasions I need to simply get out of bed at around 6/7am because the pain is too intense to lie in bed any longer.

    I’ve now made the decision to get rid of the memory foam mattress (a little sickening considering how expensive it was!).

    I have read the other questions & comments, and I am going to try flipping the mattress over tonight and sleep on the ‘unusable’ side.

    Further to above, a little info on us; I am around 10½ stone in weight (and 27 years old), and my partner is approx 12½ stone (and 30 years old). We are both active, healthy people, who exercise regularly and generally eat very healthy. I have consulted with my GP who has found no reason for my back-pain, and therefore it can only be a symptom of the memory foam mattress.

    The pain is most intense in my lower back and around the hips. I also sometimes get pain around my sides too (the sides of my waist area) – however the pain in my sides my just be related to the position I’m lying in(?). The lower back is the most severe area for pain though, and is unbearable.

    I’m wondering if you could please advise me of what you feel would be the best suited mattress to myself?

    I have spent hours and hours online reading reviews, reading advice on what’s best etc etc….and there is so much conflicting advice that it’s difficult to draw a conclusion. Even the feel of mattresses in shops doesn’t give me a very good overview because most mattresses feel ‘comfortable’ – however, my memory foam mattress feels comfortable for the first few hours too – so I don’t want to decide on a mattress based on initial comforts (I hope this makes sense!).

    Please could you give me some advice regarding what you feel would be the best solution for me, and additionally which mattress/es you would recommend (or type/brand). I’d really appreciate some help.

    Kindest Regards,
    Jillian

    Hi Jillian. You pose quite a conundrum for which there is no definitive answer..
    My first observation is that your partner seems to sleep well. It would be interesting to see if he/she has experienced a similar lack of sleep quality since purchasing your new mattress.

    Secondly, as a long term back pain sufferer myself, the symptoms you describe are similar to my own. However, flare ups – although expected – are quite irregular, and even though my mattress is suitable for me and my weight, it does not mean that it will be suitable for you.

    Flipping your mattress and using your duvet as the comfort layer under your bottom sheet will of course conclude somewhat whether it is indeed your mattress that is causing the aggravation. If your mattress is memory foam on pocket springs [as opposed to memory foam on foam] I would also check the underside for signs of wear or signs that the pocket spring unit has been breached.

    Finally, as for suggesting what mattress would be suitable for you, it wil be best to leave it for a week or so to see how your sleep improves on the mattress reverse. If you do get some modicum of improvement I will know which way to go and in that case give me a call and we will take it from there. John and Ryan.

  • Nick Kew says:

    This looks like a useful Q&A!

    I’ve just been looking at beds, and the most comfortable ones in our local shops appear to be memory foam: Salus in one shop, Tempur in the other. Lying on them leaves me pretty confident they won’t cause back or neck pain! Then I read a little online, including Gill Williams on this page, telling us how hot they are, and I can see myself sharing Gill’s fate as I thrive in conditions much colder than most people! On the other hand, I generally sleep very well!

    Can you recommend what I can look for to get the comfort of these mattresses without overheating?

    Hi Nick. It really is an anomoly isn’t it. A comfortable mattress for you – but you know you are going to be hot and sweaty! And you are looking for a way to allieve the inherrant problem.

    Memory Foam IS heat retentive, current means of attemting to combat this problem is to utilise Hi-Tech fabric coverings such as Coolmax / Climasmart / Outlast etc. This very fact that manufacturers have to use these type of coverings to reduce the heat retentiveness goes a long way to show you that the problem is very, very real.

    As a Devils Advocate towards Memory Foam, I would pose the same question to the manufacturers you mention above and see what their take is. John and Ryan.

  • nik says:

    hi guys i”m about to purchase a vi-spring regal superb bed in a super king size zip/link the price is around 6k inc headboard..i know these beds are well made and come with a very good guarantee but they are very expensive..have you any suggestions on a make of bed with similar specs for a better price…cheers nik

    Hi Nik. The Regal Superb is the re-incarnation of The Regal Supreme. There are still some outlets that are clearing this particular model (Barker and Stonehouse / Cousins etc) I would also have a look at John Lewis equivalents such as The Edgebourne:

    [Official description]
    Upholstered with 900gsm blended lambswool and cotton then 1200 gsm hand-teasedloose long-stranded black horsehair, lambswool and bamboo enclosed in a hairproof cover, and overlaid with 1200 gsm blended lambswool and cotton.

    Although John Lewis do not have SKS Z/L on the web, they will price them up in store.
    As a final note I think your best choice will be our Artisan Bespoke very similar to The Vi Spring Lynmouth or Chatsworth at John Lewis but we think better and considerably more value for money. let us know what you end up with. John and Ryan.

  • Yvonne says:

    Hi
    I just purchased a super king form brand name is times beds
    Have u heard it before ?
    Model is Buckingham 2000

    2000 count nested pocket sprung unit. Soft stretch knit ticking multiquilted surface. Non turn with memory foam layer filling. Hand stitched hopsack bordeer, handles and vents.

    If u know the company is it a good quality mattress .?
    My husband choose it for me but I still worry the quality (brand never seen before)
    Thanks.

    Hi Yvonne. The purpose of this site is to instil in everyone that you do not need to shop by brand but to shop by what your money is getting. If your budget cannot stretch to the premium brands such as Savoir Beds, Vi-Spring or Hastens etc then all you are doing is falling for marketing claptrap. Just because you have heard of Silentnight, Rest Assured, Sealy and so on, does not follow that they will be providing you with a mattress that is any better than the manufacturers you have NOT heard of.

    The mattress you mention above is a 2000 pocket sprung memory foam mattress – The key point which is so obviously missing is the depth of memory foam used. Once you find this out you will then be in a position to do adequate comparisons by content and not by manufacturer. Hope this helps and please feel free to add your viewpoint. John and Ryan.

  • Nicky Srahan says:

    Hi, can you advise me if any of your models would be similar to a Milbrook bed; my partner has one and it is heavenly, though I’m not sure of its spec. I had been very tempted by memory foam beds, but may have been put off now!
    Thank you.

    Hi Nicky. To do an adequate comparison we really do need the model name at the very least. Millbrook, like all other manufacturers will have a bottom of range as well as a mid and top of range. John and Ryan.

  • Debbie says:

    Hi John and Ryan

    I am 8 stone, and I have been looking at the somnus kingsize countess, mattress springs 6000 and base springs 550 (http://www.somnus.co.uk/bed-collection/specifications.html). I would be interested to know if this is fairly priced (roughly £2000 including headboard and sprung base divan) or if there are better value alternatives.

    In particular, I was interested in what you’ve previously said about Harrison perimiter support, because I noticed that the mattress in shop sloped at the sides. I also wondered whether this had anything to do with the fact that their bases are split lengthways rather than across the width. The salesman told me this was actually better for minimising movement, but I thought it was odd that no other mattress-makers seem to do it for a kingsize.
    Any advice would be appreciated!

    Hi Debbie. Firstly, the base. It really is better to have the base split top to toe rather than side to side and each user has their own individual base (if that makes sense). This is usually done on top end sets and indeed even our Artisan Bespoke uses this method unless access is a problem. The theory being that when a base is split side to side the cross member of the base joint running throught the central parts of each half may have no suspension properties.

    As for the mattress, pricewise it is within the boundaries of acceptability. I would also ask you to look at our Artisan Bespoke as a comparison. To make your own judgement as to which one is better you will need to know how much GSM [grams per square meter] is used as filling. We tell you how much is in ours – but we can’t find out what is in the Countess.

    Finally, your bodyweight at 8st is really on the light side. Your priorities should be with comfort layers rather than spring support. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Jit says:

    I am looking to purchase a new Divan Kingsize bed and have looked at a number of brands and types. There is one that we like at Dreams that is marketed as “Kennsington (Specifications: 4000 pocket spring mattress, Key fillings: cashmere, wool, cotton and bamboo fibre, Traditional wool tufting with soft touch Belgian damask cover, Comfort grades 3 – Medium Firm). From what I can see this is the same as the mattress marketed under Staples as the Britannia (http://www.staplesbeds.co.uk/beds-traditional-collection-britannia). Is that right. At just under £2000 for the Divan is not cheap. Is there an equivalent mattress I should be considering?

    Hi Jit. The Kensington was added to the Dreams range st the end of December. At £1899 for the kingsize mattress it does seem to be overpriced as the [posibly] equivalent Staples mattress can be found online for about £500 less.

    However, that does not mean that the lower priced model is ‘worth it’. Dreams do have a tendency to overprice models in order that a ‘Was’ price can be added after a short period of inflated price. For example, The Penzance Kingsize mattress was offered for sale [week including 11th Dec 11] for £1234. A week later – including 17th December it was offered for sale at £779 using a Double Saving advert as Was: £1669.00 !! Hard to fathom where this price come from as the previous weeks price ‘Was’ £1234. ?

    If you are serious about this model I would personally wait a couple of weeks to see if the price will be reduced [which we would bet our bottom dollar on this being so]

    As a take on what the mattress contains, on the face of it it looks like a well filled mattress. Although 4 rows of hand side stitching seems a little extravagant. However, our gripe is that manufacturers and retailers are not telling you the exact breakdown so you [and I] are unable to ensure whether the Staples mattress you mention is in any way similar to this Dreams mattress. .. and because of this you are unable to do any kind of price / quality comparisons .. and they expect you to hand over nearly £2000 quid for the privelage. Scandalous!

    For this price range we would certainly put our Artisan Bespoke up for comparison – please feel free to print off our specification and ask Dreams or whoever, what mattress they have that can be classed as similar using the component weights as the measure. Alternatively, look at other retailers who have a genuine commitment to product knowledge and customer service such as John Lewis / Feather and Black etc. A budget of £2000 is considered quite high end and so once you start comparing natural fibres against each other your choice dramatically decreases making it easir for you to see where your money is going. keep in touch and let us know what you decide upon. John and Ryan.

  • Chris says:

    Hi John,
    Do you know if the Vi Spring beds made for John Lewis are of any lower quality than those sold through other distributors? The John Lewis versions have different names but all the specifications appear to be the same and the John Lewis prices are substantially less.

    We would like to purchase a Super King Exeter Divan set but am concerned that the quality is not the same as the models which Vi Spring sells through all other distributors. I am in the USA and would like to purchase this bed for export as the Vi Spring prices in the UK are substantially less than here.

    Many thanks and great website!
    Chris

    Hi Chris. I’m sorry but I cannot answer this with any degree of certainty. Aside, it also begs the question as to what you mean by lower quality. If the specifications are the same then it stands to reason that the end product will be the same. However, .. and this applies to more companies than Vi-Spring, if a component is described as wool and Silk for example, then you as a customer should know exactly what that means.

    What kind of wool? , How much wool? , Is it blended with the silk? and so on. Wool as a staple component is graded by quality of fibre and also breed of sheep. Vi-Spring as a manufacturer has recently chosen to use Shetland Wool as a component in many of their mattresses. This is one of the most expensive wool fleece available and so by knowing the quality of this one component alone – and of course how much of it is actuallly used – enables you to make an informed choice whether you want this level of quality or would British fleece Wool, equally luxurious but at a lower price be just as good?

    The crux of your question is one that we keep banging on about. The components of a mattress should be listed the same as ingredients on food products are. And as obviously ‘better’ that would be to the consumer, it is very unlikely for it to happen. Why? Because you will soon see that out of the 4000 or so mattresses out there, they are predomiinantly all the same by type, and that’s less than 25.

    Why is it that John Lewis sell similar/same Vi-Spring products under The JL label anyway? Vi-Spring have a more than adequate product offering. Is it because JL can retail a premium product cheaper than the manufacturer can? Are Vi-Spring products overpriced in ithe distributors? And, as the very nature of your question prompts .. Are Vi Spring beds made for John Lewis of any lower quality than those sold through other distributors? Who knows?
    Excellent question Chris. Sorry there is no definitive answer. John and Ryan.

  • James says:

    Hi,
    We are strongly considering buying an Icon 1200 pocket sprung memory foam mattress from Sleepright for £599.
    I have investigated the ‘Icon’ brand a bit and it seems to be a Sleepright own brand but is made by Breasley. The bed was very comfy and we were initialy happy to buy but couldn’t see this mattress anywhere online to compare and the apparent equivalents such as flexcell 1200 from Breasley are around £200 cheaper. Do you know if there is a difference between the icon and the flexcell?
    Or perhaps a Salus mattress which is also made by Breasly (I believe).
    Thanks for your help. James

    Hi James. Good question. The Sleepright Icon range is indeed by Breasley – The reason you cannot find it online is that it is a version of Breasley’s Salus range which is not on the internet, The Salus range is for shop floor only. The differences between the Salus / Icon and Flexcell 1200 is that The Flexcell 1200 is foam based i.e 12cm of Reflex Foam and 8cm of Memory Foam. The Icon will be foam encapsulated pocket springs with a layer of memory foam on top [can’t remember the actual depth off the top of my head – but the retrailer should have this info to hand] The closest Flexcell model to The icon will be the Flexcell Pocket 1600 – intrinsically the same build except for the fabric being a lot less ‘plush’. The Icon 1200 leads me to believe the spring count in that particular model is 1200 so in comparison to the equivalent Salus is short of 3-400 pocket springs. i would actually compare the Icon to a Salus branded model if you can find a local retailer that is.

    Finally, as a shameless plug, we do a foam encapsulated 1500 mattress but using 6cm latex as the comfort layer [we do not do memory foam] this is topped with a 5oogsm wool/silk blend pad as the primary layer. [£595 Double] On site by mid Jan with full details and images. keep in touch. John and Ryan.

  • Alex B says:

    I’ve recently bought a John Lewis Refresh 2 mattress. It was missing a felt washer from one of the tufts, so JL had the manufacturer send out a couple of spares; the sender was Horatio Myer & Co Ltd/Staples. The Refresh 2 seems to have elements of Staples’ Eleanor and Cordelia models, but is no-turn, like some of their higher-end models.

    Hi Alex. Thanks for this. Another major difference is that the two Staples models you mention above has 2 rows of HSS rather than machine stitched as on the JL Refresh. And, as you pointed out – full two sided for less! The one thing which we are unsure about are the weights of fillings used in any of them. John and Ryan.

  • Wan says:

    Hi
    I’m trying to find a replacement double mattress for my 25 yr old pine bed (which has slats and spaces around 4″ wide). The Laura Ashley sale is now on and I am considering their Quennsbury or Eversham mattresses as they are within my price range. However, I am unable to find out who manufactures their mattresses and don’t know they are any good. Can you advise please – are they a good buy for £300 – 350 and if so, which one? Do I need to save for a new bed base too given that your site recommends that slats of 4″ are too wide.

    I would appreciate any advice.
    Many thanks. Wan.

    Hi Wan. When your budget is in this region you do not have much of a choice. The closest we have as a direct comparison is our Origins Pocket Reflex. This is a full two sided mattress and with an educated guess contains far more filling than the Laura Ashley Queensbury. To be certain all you need to do is phone them direct on 0871 983 5999 and ask them what exactly is in their mattress.

    Your bed slats at 4″ are a bit too wide but as your mattress budget is on the low side I would spend the base budget on your mattress and replace your base at a later date when funds are a bit more available. You can unscrew your current slats and move them closer together – replace the missing ones with timber from your DIY store. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Martin Colclough says:

    We’re looking to buy a new king size divan bed with 4 standard size drawers. I’ve come across the Sleepeezee Touch Latex & Cool Comfort and also the Hypnos Melody. I like the fact that they offer 5 and 10 year guarantee’s. Any thoughts on these beds?

    Hi Martin. It would help if you provided the specifications you have on each of these models. In order to draw adequate comparisons you really do need to know what you are spending your money on. If you provide the details we will be happy to go through each of them one by one. John and Ryan.

  • Tan says:

    Hi

    I have just purchased the mattress detailed below for £720 from Homebase but i’m not sure if it is of any good quality. I can still cancel my order and i’m quite tempted to do so as i have seen contradicting reviews about memory foams. I have never used one so i’m unsure. I weight about 54kg and my husband about 85kg.

    I’m mainly worried about sinking in the mattress and rolling onto each other after some time.

    Any thoughts? Or alternatives? And who are Posturewise? i cant find any details about them!

    Thanks

    Posturewise Memory Impression 180 King Size Mattress
    The Posturewise King Size Mattress contours to your body to reduce pressure points for a restful nights sleep.
    Dimensions of mattress in cm: (H)150, (W)20, (L)18.
    Features: Anti-allergy.
    Material: High density visco elastic memory foam with a mircorquilted cover.
    Effects and finish: Ivory.
    Additional information: Turn mattress regularly.

    Hi Tan. Posturewise is a brand used by Argos and Homebase (sister companies). We are not aware who actually produces these. Flaws in the description begs the questions as to the actual quantity of memory foam used – could be one inch – could be three inches – Who Knows? The additional information of “turn mattress regularly” is a nonsense as memory foam mattresses are not usually turnable. perhaps this model is two sided! Doubtful though. Neither does it give any indication of the number of pocket springs used (if any) the description is so vague we wonder how you actually come to the decision to purchase.

    I want to draw your attention to the Posturezone Pocket Impression 1200 (Argos). On the 13th / 18th December it was retailing at £999 for the kingsize. On the 31st December (till now) it is £329.99 with a WAS price of £999.

    The price you have paid (I see it as £799,99 – 28th Jan 2012) seems very overpriced and I would hazzard a gues that shortly this may be reduced in order to show a WAS price of £799.99. We do not keep tabs on Homebase products so unfortunately cannot say for certain the pricing history on this particular model.

    For this budget I would say that our Origins Pocket latex at £660. is a far better mattress for the money than this particular model. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Keith Mason says:

    I ‘ve found I need a new mattress and have looked around locally. Two that have been suggested, and that seem ok are (I believe) from a company called “Shakespeare”, on being called Leonado and the other Picasso. I have never heard of either of them but have found a number of outlets selling these on line. They are pocket spring, non turn-over and seem to be padded with either wool or polyester. Do you know anything about these? They do seem a bit cheap costwise.

    Hi Keith. Why would you want to know about the manufacturer? There are more than over a hundred or so different manufacturers out there – some good, some not so good. I don’t think you have the time to investigate every single one in order to find out who is good at what they do. What you should be doing is seeing what mattress has the best fillings and components for the money you are willing to pay. It’s as easy as that.

    The Leonardo for example is similar to our Origiins Reflex 1000. There are differences, insomuch as ours is a full double sided mattress, and as we detail all our fillings it is up to you to decide who is offering more mattress for your money. Hope this helps and feel free to call if you require any further info. John and Ryan.

    [31st January ] Many thanks for that. Sadly , despite the quality of your matresses, I’m so stocked up with rather costly bed linen that is designed for 10″ thick matresses that I’ve got to stick to that thickness. However, you and your site have been very helpful and I’ll definitely be going for decent pocket springing etc etc. (not the cheapies I was looking at incidentally).

    Hi again Keith. Glad to be of help. As a further little sidenote, bear in mind that pocket springs have a general height of 6″. In order to get a 10″ mattress means that there will only be 2″ of compressed upholstery either side. If you are looking at a one sided mattress then don’t assume that there will be four inches of upholstery on the sleeping side …. !

    The two important questions you should know at the very least is the height of the springs (they could be bigger than 6″) and the depth of the upholstery assuming that this will not be on any specification. Let me know what you go for and feel free to post any further questions. John and Ryan.

  • Jon Gapes says:

    Hi guys,
    Interesting site. I’m looking at a Sealy Katerina 2200 mattress online, assuming it’s the same as the ‘Enchantment 2200’ seen in Paul Simon stores. How do you guys rate this mattress? It’s 2200 pocket springs with a thick layer of latex on top, apparently very well spec’d.

    I’ve seen some fairly negative reviews on Sealy mattresses but all from American customers, and none on this particular mattress. The marketing I see and hear on Sealy though is fantastic! I’ve tried it out in store several times and it feels lovely to lay on. Apparently a £2000 RRP, down to £800 instore and about £665 cheapest online.
    How does it compare with your pocket sprung/latex combo mattresses?
    Thanks.

    Hi Jon. The Enchantment [I believe] is memory Foam and The Katerina is latex. So in answer to your question they are certainly not the same. Assuming you are looking at The Katerina, I would question how ‘thick’ the thick layer of Innergetic latex foam actually is.

    As for the springs? The detail states ‘It has a standard layer of 1200 weight responsive zoned springs, along with a mini layer of 1000 pocketed springs on the top‘ Are the 1200 weight responsive springs Pocket Springs or another name for continuous coil springs? From what I see, a one sided mattress with a depth of 36cm consisting of springs and latex of dubious quantity would promt me to ask a few more pertinent questions. Finally, the question just begging to be asked is where on earth a RRP of £2000 comes from?

    Our Origins Latex models are fully detailed. If manufacturers are not telling you what’s inside their products then all you have to do is ask them. How you can consider making a substantial purchase based on ‘fantastic marketing’ without questioning the retailers to within an inch of their life really is beyond me. You are not expected to know what ‘weight Responsive Zoned Springs’ are. I dont know what they are. I would ask them for a full detailed description of the pros and cons in order to make an informed comparison to see whether they are substantially better than any other form of spring support. But because of the lack of adequate explanation, you are in a very poor bargaining position. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Jon Gapes says:

    Thanks for the response. The Enchantment is indeed latex, the specs are exactly the same between the two models. And they are pocket springs as I’ve seen in my description and it’s part of the ‘Platinum Pocket Collection’.

    As I can get this for £665 online I just wondered how it compared with your offering and generally what you know of Sealy as a company and their quality.
    Thanks.

    Hi again Jon. As you have probably read throughout this site, unless you are looking at premium manufacturers such as Savoir Beds, Marshall and Stewart, Hastens, Vi-Spring etc, it is practically pointless even to consider buying a mattress based on brand alone. You should be comparing like for like on component quantity, quality, build and detailing. The industry has radically changed beyond recognition over the past ten years or so. Many manufacturers that were deemed ‘premium’ back then have now been sold on, and on again and the majority are under the ownership of investment companies who only look at the bottom line and (I believe) the passion that the original owners had has all but gone.

    Sealy is an American company, their products are manufactured under licence in this country by The Silentnight Group (also taken over by an investment company earlier in 2011) whether the products sold in this country are the same as American models is unlikely.

    Our offering is openly detailed in order that you use this to compare to similar models. Until mattress ‘ingredients’ are listed openly and honestly by all manufacturers [and this will have to be done through legislation] you and countless others will be navigating this mattress minefield at the mercy of some rather unscrupulous manufacturers and retailers.

    Dont be embaressed about asking pertinent questions. Ask what type of latex it is they are using. how much natural latex is used (the expensive bit) and how much synthetic. How deep is it, Is it better (for your needs) than natural Fibres? and so on and on.

    Please keep asking your questions. Even though my responses are simplistic, they do form the basis of how you should be shopping for your product. I do not want any of our readers to just take our word for anything at face value, you and others should be using what we say to question other retailers and manufacturers about ‘their’ products. We believe the products we have on our site are well built and well priced – use these as starter indications and see if you can find better. If not, then come back to us. John and Ryan.

  • Jon Gapes says:

    Hello,

    Are you able to expand the description on your Pocket Latex 1500 mattress? It seems to have a much briefer description than say the Origins Pocket which is broken down with more photos and details.

    I’m trying to decide if having latex on top is worth the extra £200? Is there anywhere or anyway I can try this mattress first? I appreciate you offer the 2 week guarantee but buying a mattress without trying the feel seems crazy to me! I’ve been mattress shopping for about 2 months now and the differences between simarly spec’d mattresses in firmness and general feel is vast.

    PS I would’ve posted this in the Pocket Latex page but comments are closed.
    Thanks!

    Hi Jon. Fair comment. Firstly, I understand your sceptism about buying mattresses online without being able to try them first. This was even more of a ‘Crazy Idea’ when I started than it is today, hence the reason why I give such detailed information on product and throughout the site to explain the hundreds of inter-related aspects of build and construction.

    The most crucial thing to understand is that you have to compare like for like. Only when you do this you will know if you can (or can’t) get better for your money. We say our Origins 1500 at £465 is the best build you can get for this budget. We have detailed the internal specifications in order that you go away with these and see if you can find better, give or take a few pounds.

    Your starting point would be the multiples – Argos / Bensons / Dreams etc. All you have to do is look at the models with a similar retail price and see how it stacks up to ours. Of course, this is where you will encounter the mattress equivalent to legalese. If you do not fully understand the component – then ask for a description in laymans terms.

    Our Origins Latex is a completely different build to the Origins Pocket. There is not much more we can tell you about this. latex is a far better product than Polyester and more expensive, hence the price difference. It is also a far more durable product – having a 7 year Guarantee as opposed to a three year.

    To see if there is anything better, we have given you the weights and depths as a starting point and it will not take you long to find alternatives. We can always justify what we offer for sale, and it is a shame that many other manufacturers do not give you the information you need to do this.

    Your final comment on the differences between similarly specced mattresses being different was interesting. If you have found a mattress with a similar construction of say our Origins Latex, same spring count, same depth and combination of fillings etc then there is no reason why the difference in feel should be so different.

    I do draw back to your opening sentence about buying a mattress unseen and untested. After two months of searching you are still unsure what to do. Ryan and I have listed for sale about 12 or 15 mattresses out of the 4000 or so available as being the best you can get for that particular budget. We have tried and tested these, we have compared them to countless others of the same ilk, we have taken into account the overall quality, the finishing, the detailing, the manufacturer, the service etc and what we have on our site, we deem to be the best (or amongst the best) that we have personally found for the price we ask.

    As a footnote, our Love It or return It Guarantee is there for your assurance in order to allay the fear of ‘What if it is wrong’. If there was anything untoward about this promise then the power of the internet would be informing you so. Ryan and I know more about beds and mattresses than many people we encounter, and that includes a bulk of manufacturers. We ask the questions that consumers should be asking and it is virtually imposible to pull the wool over our eyes. If there was nothing to hide then all mattress components would be as open and detailed as ours. Why they arn’t should be leading you to question the retailers and manufacturers concerned exactly why not. John and Ryan.

  • Melissa says:

    Hi John,

    I’m looking for single mattresses for a 3-in-1 guest bed. The problem is that the bottom mattress seems to be restricted in height to 8 inches (I haven’t bought the base yet, but that seems to be the only option). I’d like pocket sprung, but previous in this thread you indicated that this would mean only two inches of upholstery. Would I be better off getting a spring-count open coil mattress instead?
    Thanks, Melissa

    Hi Melissa. For the hideaway part of the bed you really are restricted for space. I really don’t like open coil mattresses, they are so lacking in any kind of comfort. For sizes less than 18/20cm minimal amount Polyester is going to be the main, if not only, component filling and therefore you should be looking for the best comfort for your money.

    I had a quick look for you and have found this 14cm mattress comprising of Reflex Foam (12cm) and topped off with 2cm of Memory Foam. Not something I would personally be comfortable selling but for a price of £85 it seems to me your best option for what you may require it for (occasional sleepover perhaps).

    Please don’t take this as a personal recommendation but as a starting point to see if you can find better. Mattressman memory Classic. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Anna says:

    Dear John and Ryan,
    You have provided some superb advices here!

    I am looking to buy a “dreamy” king size or super king size bed and in the sea of possibilities it has proven to be a very difficult task.

    My budget is around £2,000. I have tried V-Spring and other pocket spring mattresses but have opted for memory foam; 22 deluxe, even though Cloud 25 was quite comfy too.

    Now I noticed that you do not do memory foam brands, and stock latex, why is that?
    I am ok with the heat retention quality of them as I always tend to suffer from being cold at night, and need a heavy duvet.

    Also noticed there are spring mattresses with memory foam layer on top, which ones are the most luxurious?
    Looking to have the mattress on a slatted base, as apparently it lenghtens the lifespan of the mattress and improves airflow, is this true? Thank you for your help! Anna

    Hi Anna. I really cannot believe you are seriously considering a memory foam mattress. Please read our posts on memory foam mattresses here for our side of the story. If your budget is within £2000 I would ask you to consider our Artisan Bespoke. Please keep in touch. John and Ryan.

  • ally says:

    Hi,

    I am dizzy after reading about mattresses on various online forums. I would like a double pocket sprung latex topped mattress, i have heard many of the big brands are lacking in quality and that, foam encapsulated springs are poor and the latex should be 2.5cm thick on both sides.

    The only mattresses i have found that fit this are the ones that seem to be repeatedly plugged on the forum by a certain member. La romantica and a new one i found that seems to match apart from la LR don’t have foam encapsulated springs, i am told they have full springs which are better?! Velda Latex Dreamer that is dual sided less money but encap springs, argh head battered!!

    how important is a dual sided mattress? foam encapsulated springs, is this a bad thing? please help? the velda is cheaper at £479. Advice much appreciated :)

    Hi Ally. At some point you are going to have to decide for yourself whom you choose to place your faith in. Fortunately the product you are looking at – Pocket Sprung latex mattress is quite simple to do adequate comparisons against. All you need to know is 1) the number of pocket springs 2) The depth of latex used 3) The type of latex used. 4) The price for these three basics. Once you know these four things (which will be easier said than done !!) you will be in a far better position than you are now.

    Your starting point is The Velda Latex Dreamer: Foam Encapsulated Pocket Spring Unit [Nothing at all wrong with this kind of construction] Zoned pocket sprung unit [very nice] 2.5cm of latex Each Side.
    Price <> £500 Double.

    We offer The Origins Pocket 1500 latex: 1500 pocket sprung unit. 2.5cm Reflex Foam (same as the TOP of the Foam encapsulated Pocket Unit) 6cm of Latex in two 3cm layers. Topped off with 300GSM wool/silk blend as the primary layer.
    Price: £640. Double.

    Those are your starting points. Only when you have three or four models in the mix then that is when you start to see which one offers you more value for money. John and Ryan.

  • David Evans says:

    Hi
    We currently have a Hypnos mattress which my wife hates for being too firm (it’s a medium). We therefore need to change it and had seen and tried a Burgess 3000 natural, which we both liked.

    I would be interested in your thoughts on Burgess and as to whether you had a similar product.
    Many thanks

    Hi David. I used to rave over Burgess’ mattresses. I used to hold them up as one of the last UK manufacturers who offered a traditionally built, supremely well crafted mattress that came from an unrivalled heritage. I used to stare wide eyed and breathless at the quality of the hand side stitching which represented an inverted B. I also remember (with extreme embarressment) going to their old factory in Manchester trying to get a supply of their products as I had this great idea of selling beds on the internet. Of course, the kindly gentleman I spoke to took my name and number, but as I walked out the door I had a feeling I would not be hearing from him any time soon.

    Burgess Beds in my opinion should be amongst your considerations if you are looking to buy a quality Bespoke mattress. However, as with any traditionalist they cannot rely on Bespoke orders to keep their business afloat. Their move to modern industrial units in Haslingden probably had something to do with their need to offer well made beds but using mass produced pocket spring units such as the Air Suspension Pocket Spring Unit (Burgess refer to this a the Binary PS) you are looking at.

    And it is with some sense of sadness I see this traditionally English manufacturer, with an enviable heritage going down this particular route when they had every opportunity to produce an affordable range of traditionally built mattresses that could of represented the best of British craftsmanship.

    I am not aware of the retail price of this mattress and if you are seriously considering it I think it will be a better build pound for pound than many of their current competitors. I would also put their Supernatural in your list of posibilities if the price difference isn’t too prohibitive – it seems to have a better overall spec. I would also push for a breakdown on component parts by weight. Again, sadly with Burgess, this should not have normally been neccessary. You could have deduced that the quantity they used reflected the quality – but … this is not their bespoke mattress.

    Finally David. It wouldn’t be fair if I did not tell you what we could offer. Our Artisan range – Naturals / Luxury / Bespoke. Will show you what we can do, each using traditional calico encased pocket springs. John and Ryan

  • Leigh Turner says:

    Hi There…So refreshing to find a site with so much advice as we’re finding buying a mattress a lot of a mindfield! I was wondering if you could give any advice on zip and links? We have an old house with small steep stairs and low door frames etc but when in the rooms they are big. We are craving a super king bed so figure a zip & link may be the way to go. I have seen one by DORLUX and was wondering you had any advice? Online it seems the price varies from 350 to 650 for the same bed. i was considering the pocket sprung with memory foam but then read you don’t recommend the foam. What say you about latex as I think they have that as an option. Any help gratefully received!
    Thank you. Leigh.

    Hi Leigh. It’s good that you have considered the access route to your room prior to ordering.
    You have a few options which should lead to an acceptable conclusion. Firstly I do not think that the linked divan bases on a Superking Ziplink will fit. They are 6’6 long and 3’0 wide – but the depth has to be taken into account as well (at least 12″ if you are requiring storage drawers) There has to be room for manouevering into your room. You could consider a Superkingsize bedframe that you assemble in your room.

    With regards to your mattresses. I cannot see a problem with what is essentially two single matttresses going into your room. However, what stands out in your comment is what you are likely to get for your budget. Ziplink mattresses do carry a premium – Our cheapest set is in the region of £550 for the mattresses alone.

    If budget is an issue, you will have to accept that some compromises will have to be made. For example, and taking your access route into consideration, you have an option of buying a vac packed pocket memory one piece Superking mattress without going to an enormous amount of expense [remember you are only using this as a means of support] and adding a further quality topper (Cotton / Wool / Feather) to give you a decent comfort layer.

    Even though we do not like / do not sell memory Foam, there are times when it becomes a last resort particularly when budget is an issue. Just do not expect it to live up to many of the claims made! Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

    Hi again.
    Thank you for your advice, much appreciated!
    After a successful insurance claim, it looks like we may have up to £800 to spend on a zip and link so am now wondering which you would recommend?

    We originally thought pocket sprung with memory foam but assume you’d recommend pocket & latex instead? What is the key diference?
    We will probably buy a SK frame to assemble in the room so no need to worry about the divan base.
    Thank you so much!!

    Hi again Leigh. It may be wise to read our post and associated comments on memory Foam here .. and also the post on latex here to give you a fair idea of what you are up against.

    Your starting point now should be putting together a list of about five options all based on price alone. Try to find out what your £800 can get you. Once you have this basic list together you can then easily see which one is offering you the more mattress for your money. Remove any one sided models (obviously except if this is latex).

    Dont be shy of phoning manufacturers and retailers and asking what the breakdown and weight of fillings are. If a description tells you it contains wool from the underbelly of sheep raised in the foothills of The Andes, don’t assume it will be of any significant amount – it could be as little as one ounce and completely useless to you! However, on the other hand it COULD BE significant, but unless you actually know for sure you have no means of comparison.

    Our offering is The Origins Pocket latex Ziplink at £745 (mattresses only). This has now been upgraded to include the same latex that is used by Dunlopillo – a 60/40 mix (60% Natural and 40% synthetic) Hope this helps and feel free to comment further on your choices. John and Ryan.

    Hi there.
    I fell in love with the comfort of the ‘Sleepeezee Lincoln 3500’ in ‘Dreams’ the other day after always being sure that I’d never know which mattress I found most confortable straight away. We need a zip and link mattress. Could you recommend something similar?
    Thank you.

    Hi again Leigh. Our last recommendation was based on your budget of up to £800. The Sleepeezee Lincoln in a ziplink is as you know in excess of £1800. If this is your new budget then I would certainly suggest our Artisan Luxury Ziplink – which is a far superior construction than the Dreams model for a similar retail price.

    Of course, to see if this is correct you will need to question Dreams and Sleepeezee [020 8540 9171] to ask them the precise breakdown of fillings used – As the key fillings in The Lincoln are Polyester / Cotton this puts it well below the specification of our Artisan Naturals.

    The Calico springs in our Artisan Naturals is in the same league as many Vi Spring mattresses and this one aspect alone is enough to show you what you can get for your money. Hope this helps Leigh, and as always please feel free to call us for more info. John and Ryan.

  • Jenn says:

    Hi
    We’ve been looking for a new bed and are seriously considering buying the Harrison Elegance 2000 King Size Divan Set (medium). Hubby is nearly 18 stone I am just over 12 st. Slightly concerned that hubby may find it too hot but have been unable to find one that has a latex top ( well except from Dreams…….)
    We love in the North of Scotland so limited to beds we can lie on!!

    I hope I am making the right decision…..do you guys have an opinion to share?!!
    Thanks

    Hi Jenn. As you are probably aware, Ryan and I are not the most fervent fans of Memory Foam mattresses. The heat aspect of this is an important consideration and will not show itself until you spend a couple of nights on it which obviously you cannot do until you have purchased – and, unless there is an adequate Love it or return It return policy (which should be on every mattress purchase) becomes too late!

    The set you are contemplating is not overly expensive, considering the manufacturer. [<> £900 Kingsize set] assuming all is as it says !! and so further investigation is needed to see why this is so. The official description is as follows:

    The Harrison Elegance 2000 divan set features a platform top divan base and a Harrison Elegance mattress. The mattress contains approximately 2000 individual pocket springs and Harrison Revolution and Harrison Posturfil Pocket Springs, combined with layers of memory foam and layers of resilient white fibre for comfort and support. Each set of springs contours together and provides superior support for the natural curvature of the spine. Two rows of side stitching provide additional support and stability right to the edge of the mattress while the woven fabric cover provides a soft sleeping surface. The divan base is mounted on castors for ease of manoeverability.

    The questions I would be inclined to ask [Harrisons Customer Service: 0113 205 5200 ] are the following:
    1. What is the depth of Memory Foam used? I would expect to see 5cm.
    2. How much polyester are you using? I am assuming this is the layers of resillient white fibre you are referring to. I would expect to see at least 800 GSM.
    3. I assume there are 1000 Posturefil springs (mini springs) which leaves 1000 main pocket springs – How many of these are Revolution Pocket Springs (Spring in Spring) the spring system which your company is famous for?
    4. Are the two rows of side stitching GENUINE hand side stitching? The description says that this ” .. provide additional support and stability right to the edge of the mattress ..” machine side stitching does not do this so I am assuming it will be Hand Side Stitched – Which is it?

    The difference in bodyweights between you and your husband is rather significant. To find a mattress that will be completely suitable for you both is going to be quite tricky to find. For £200 more than the Harrisons model you are looking at we would offer our Artisan Naturals. The springs (calico encased / hand formed / sewn etc) is amongst the very best you can get, but more importantly they can be tailored to your bodyweights). The base will be sprung edged and will far exceed the standard that’s offered from Harrisons.
    Hope this helps and we would be interested to hear what you can find out re the contents. John and Ryan.

  • anna says:

    Hi, I am looking for a new double mattress and liked the Silent Night Refresh bed but after reading your advice was thinking that this may be wasted money – or money better spent on a different mattress. I like a firm mattress and one where it wont affect me when my parter tosses and turns all night on the other side of the bed…Any suggestions please for a budget of around £600?
    Thanks very much.

    Hi Anna. As you may know The Silentnight Refresh (Body Healthy Range) is made solely for Bensons. The Silentnight Neptune is the nearest equivalent and as Silentnight declare on their wonderfully un-informative website The Neptune has more fillings and more springs than The Refresh.

    You could look at this two ways: First, Silentnight originally declared that they do not have a comparable model to The Refresh as sold through Bensons.
    Reply from Silentnight (1/10/11):
    The Refresh is part of our brand new exclusive Body Healthy range for Bensons. As the range is exclusive it will not feature on our website.

    Does this mean that it is not good enough for them to include a similar model in their own collection? And why did they not point this particular questioner to The Neptune?

    A further enquirer made the correlation between these two products questtioning which was better, and Silentnight made the following response:

    Reply from Silentnight (17/11/11):
    The Neptune has additional fillings and more springs than the Refresh hence the difference in mattress height. The Neptune is 34cm deep the Refresh is 28cm deep. As to which mattress is best is personal preference. Only you can decide which mattress provides your body with the right level of support and comfort. Both mattresses are made to the same high quality standards and undergo exactly the same durability tests

    Now. The first question I would be inclined to ask is where the 6cm of difference comes in? Looking at the two (extremely vague) descriptions side by side should give me the answer:

    1.) BFB – Silentnight Refresh [£499 Double – 20/4/12] [Official description]
    Refresh Double Size Mattress features a unique 1550 Two Layer Spring system is made from 750 Miracoils Springs and 800 Mini Pockets Springs, which don’t wobble, collapse or bulge whilst giving you support across the whole surface.

    The breathable airlfow border combined with the Ecomemory Fibre gives pressure relieving benefits of memory foam without any overheating problems. Silentnight Ecobreathe Fibre Clean, safe and hypoallergenic, containing no chemicals, odours or Volatile Organic Compounds. Breathable fibres are scientifically proven to stay cooler for comfortable and healthy sleep. Planet Friendly polyester fibre made from 50% recycled PET bottles makes the mattress 100% recyclable. Purotex Probiotics keeps the mattress naturally fresh, healthy and dust-mite free.

    2.) Online Store: Silentnight Neptune £359 Double – 20/4/12] [Official Description]
    Intelligent Miracoil® springs with an extra cushioning layer to provide more targeted support for your curves and total body relaxation.
    Firmness for your hips, softness for your shoulders and extra protection for your lower back.
    Unique two layer spring combination750 Intelligent zoned Miracoil® springs give comfort, support and pressure relief for all shapes and sizes.
    1350 individual pocket springs for luxurious comfort.
    With Purotex® is the only solution, which is 100% natural. The friendly bacteria, which reduces mould and moisture, keeps dust-mites at bay and reduces allergens for a drier, fresher, healthier mattress throughout
    Cirrus Airflow stops you overheating for deep, healthy sleep.
    Pressure relief for a more peaceful night’s sleep. No roll off, no roll together. Hypoallergenic and dust mite resistant. Easy Care – No need to turn simply rotate. Firmness rating: Firm.

    Looking at the two side by side tells you instantly that The Neptune at £140 LESS gives you POSSIBLY more mattress for your money. However, what is so blatantly missing on the Neptune is any kind of description of what the fillings actually are! They state that it includes an EXTRA cushioning layer – but extra to what? Without this information it is impossible for you to do a thorough comparison to see which mattress has more upholstery.

    In fairness, these are after all cheap mattresses and all you could possibly expect for the upholstery is polyester in one form or another. But that does not mean you should not be told or informed what the upholstery layers actually consist of – Bad form.

    Incidentally, and of benefit to all readers, you will have noticed that The BFB Refresh has a component called “EcoMemory Fibre” This is a relatively new product (last nine months or so) produced by a premium converter and was hailed as the alternative to Memory Foam.

    This is quite a good product for lower end mattresses, far superior to spun polyester as a mattress component but it does come in at a price !! In instances like this you really do have to find out the weight of this component by GSM (Grams per Square Metre) 800gsm would be acceptable if coupled with polyester. 1000gsm acceptable as a standalone. I have an inkling that it would not be anywhere near this though.

    This is not an exclusive product to Silentnight and associated companies. It is found on many other products under the name Memory Fibre or intelligent Fibre [i-Fibre] . The component referred to as EcoBreath is a substitute for spun polyester hailed as being a greener version of such. Bear in mind though that these products are from a rival converter to British Vita – one of the major producers of Memory Foam and spun polyester products.

    Going back to your question Anna. The Neptune at £359 may be a better alternative, and the lack of any worthwhile upholstery can be supplemented by a good quality topper etc. Basically, use the mattress as the support and add your own comfort layers.

    Finally, please do not read this as any kind of product endorsement particulary for Silentnight – Miracoil springs are still open coil springs and our own personal standards start at pocket springs. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Ron Cantrill says:

    Hi,
    40 years ago we bought a bed from John Brabbs (Manufacturer) Leics. which gave excellent service until we replaced it with a king size Hypnos 10 years later – cost £700 ish. Within 2 weeks all of the filling had migrated to a centre ridge and we could feel the springs. The dealer replaced it with a Slumberland Orthofirm Deluxe and within 2 weeks the same had happened.

    In dispair we bought a cheap (£120) mattress and used it on the floor which was fine until Hypnos delivered our original totally rebuilt mattress about 6 months later. Needless to say, 2 weeks later we were back in trouble and a visiting Hypnos Area Manager suggested strapping a strong blanket around the mattress which did improve things a little but we eventually skipped it less than 12 months and used a cheapie from a catalogue return shop for many years and eventually, 12 months ago bought a Staples Devon which lasted 12 months before we gave up on as it resembled a pair of hammocks.

    The shop got it replaced but that lasted just 2 days on our oak framed very solid base before a 2 1/2″ dip appeared on both sides and we are now experimenting with a variety of memory foam mattresses.

    Any observations or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am a reasonably fit 6′ 14 st 67 year old and we just use the bed for sleeping so cannot understand why we should have such problems.

    We are regular users of a hotel which uses Sprung Slumber Contract Deluxe mattress which are great but we cannot find a supplier.

    Hi Ron. Experimenting with Memory Foam mattresses eh? I’m tempted to say “prepare yourself for yet another fall”.

    Lets look at what went wrong. Your Hypnos mattress was replaced within a matter of weeks for a Slumberland Orthofirm Deluxe ! the analogy of this alone would be like replacing steak with a beefburger. Admittedly, the Hypnos model at £700 could only be from their bottom of range – the value presumably being in the label, hence the remake but obviously not the product.

    We’re not particularly sure which Staples mattress you had, but looking at their top of range model – The Brittania – the specification they provide for this showpiece model is laughable! The edited version is ” ..a deep layer of hand-teased fine hair … also includes luxurious cashmere, silk, bamboo, wool and cotton.. “

    On the face of it, it looks worthy of further investigation. But I think the reality is, it’s all fur coat and no knickers. We don’t really need to look at this mattress or strip it down to see how it’s made, or even lie on it. The retail price [KS Mattress] is <> £1300.00, not overly expensive for a top of range model which would lead me to question the actual breakdown of this lexicon of natural fibres they take great pains to provide.

    I mention this to draw a parallel to the Staples mattress you had. If this particular Staples top of range Britannia is indeed questionable – where does that put every model below that – including the one you had?

    The reason you are making mistake after unfortunate expensive mistake Ron is quite simple. You are not being told the things you need to know in order to make a fair, educated and informed decision on your purchase – it’s as simple as that. Until manufacturers start to openly list the precise breakdown of the contents of their mattresses, and recognise this failing as a show of utter contempt and disrespect to you as a consumer, then stories like yours will carry on being the norm.

    So lets look at how you should go about finding an adequate replacement.
    Lets assume your budget is £800 for a Kingsize mattress. There is no way whatsoever that you will find a mattress jam packed with wool and horsehair for this budget so you have to be realistic as to what your budget can get you.

    First of all,
    1. Make a list of 10 mattresses from 10 retailers with a retail price of approx £800.
    2. Under each mattress jot down the rough breakdown of the primary fillings.
    3. Reduce this list down to 5. keeping the ones with the most natural fibre content.
    4. Telephone each company and ask what the weight of each component is.
    5. Reduce your list to the 2 best built models.

    To start you off and give you a means of what you should be looking to beat have a look at our Artisan Tailored pocket [£785]. Feel absolutely free to post here any model you think you have found that may be a comparable or viable option. In fact we’ll take it as a game of top trumps! Keep in touch. John and Ryan.

  • Sharon says:

    Hi, having spoken to you yesterday we are trying to track down stockists of Dunlopillo Mattresses, so we can try them and then hang on for your range to become available. So far we have found stockists of the Diamond, Firmrest Millennium, and Royal Sovereign. We haven’t been to try them yet though; no point in us trying ones you are not matching so could you tell me which of the above are nearest to the ones you are going produce?
    Regards, Sharon

    Hi again Sharon. The Firmrest and Royal Sovereign are from Dunlopillo’s lower end of their range. We will be producing similar to The Harmonize Renaissance [Quilted] and The Tempsmart Millennium [Tufted]. These will be our starter models and of course we will be adding additional latex layers to add further depth to these.

    This has been an extremely slow process to get to this stage. By mid-June we will be placing our first order and as the latex comes from Europe, it is anticipated that it will take a further four weeks (mid to end of July) before production starts.

    As you are aware we are collecting pre order interest enquiries – No obligation of course, but enquirers such as yourself will be given first option on the first batch of production. The entire first order (25 mattresses) will be sold as prototypes and trial models in order for us to gain feedback on the design and comfort. I can assure you that our retail price of these launch models will be more than favourable! so well worth the wait.

    This has been an undeniably long but interesting project for us. We now have everything in place ready to go – The manufacturer, the fabric supplier and the (best) latex supplier. All we have to do now is to agree the densities of latex used for the cores and the primary layers – we will not do this until we are absolutely satisfied that these core components are ultimately the best available and we can prove such back to you.

    For all other interested parties, Marie (Office Manager) is keeping a list of all pre-production enquiries. Please phone her (0161 945 3757) or mail her (marie@johnryanbydesign) to receive weekly updates of how this project is progressing. John and Ryan.

    [Update: June 2012] I have now finalised the meeting with my Latex source and I have come to the conclusion that it is currently not feasible to proceed with this project. The reasons are many and varied but the main one is that I feel the cost price of the latex component offered is still kept at an artificially inflated price which makes it inconceivable to proceed.

    If you are still considering the Dunlopillo mattresses we feel you will be getting a quality product – albeit at a price that in our opinion could reasonably be offered for much less.

    Thank you for your continued interest and I am really sorry this did not pan out as we anticipated. In time we hope to reinvestigate this project and hopefully .. succeed. John and Ryan.

  • Liz says:

    Hello, What a great site you have, so informative!

    I’ve been on the hunt for a new bed since we stayed at the Four Seasons recently and fell in love with the bed they had there. It was a medium/soft with a topper built in like you see on the Sealy’s. The Sealy Toscana 1400 is the closest I could find in my local stores. But to my massive disappointment, I’ve been reading the reviews of the Sealy’s and they seem to be universally hated.

    I then tried a Somnus in the local store and loved that until I saw the price! Lovely but out of my budget :)

    At the moment we have a SuperKing Zip and Link (because of access issues to our bedroom) which is 8/9 Years old and ideally we’d only like to replace the mattress. What would you recommend?

    Many Thanks
    Liz

    Hi Liz. Mattresses with built in toppers are a flawed design [Read Here] – lovely to start off with but after a short period of time will become utterly useless. It is better to adapt a well made and correctly supportive mattress and adding your own topper to add that luxurious layer of comfort.

    I would say to look at the Artisan Naturals to keep you within budget – the spring gauge can be made to suit your bodyweights and it also has more than adequate comfort layers. The topper will add additional comfort and will also take the brunt of nightly use – change when necessary. John and Ryan.

  • Sue says:

    Hi Guys,
    Planning to buy a mattress called Salus by Breasley……..it is a 1000+ cool touch 20cm deep
    50mm slow recovery mem foam…..
    1000 indiv pocket springs(equivalent to 1000 pocket springs in a 150cm mattress)
    removable easy clean cover. reduces pressure points that cause sleep discomfort. temp sensitive. edge to edge support. no turn mattress.

    then on the internet I found this breasely flexcel pocket 1000 cool sport mattress. How is it different from the Salus above?

    http://www.only-mattresses.co.uk/mattress-type/pocket-sprung-memory-foam-mattresses/breasley-flexcell-pocket-1000-coolsport-mattress.html#

    Difference in price is £165…
    Help Please
    Sue

    Hi Sue. Breasley is the largest Memory Foam mattress producer in this country. Their Salus brand is only available in bricks and mortar retail outlets – not allowed for sale on the internet. The only conceivable difference we can see is in the cover which I must admit is quite appealing and usually the draw for this particular range. As you have rightly pointed out 5cm of memory foam on a 1000 pocket sprung unit. They both utilise a Foam Encapsulated unit (no gripes at all – Read Here).

    Although we are not the most fervent fans of any Memory Foam mattress, they are one of the easiest mattresses to do comparisons against. The simple equation is 5cm Memory Foam / Foam Encapsulated pocket springs (1000) and that is all you need to know to hunt out a better bargain. Know also that the supplier of this memory foam is [likely] from British Vita and the bulk of all Memory Foam mattresses use this supplier. Know also that Breasley is the manufacturer of many, many own label mattresses. The Icon range at Sleepmaster for example is the most similar to Breasley’s own Salus range. Hope this helps Sue and please let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Jo says:

    A really interesting website! I am looking to buy a S&E mattress with a John Lewis label on it. Price £1899 – Mohair Classic with a 9000 spring count. If I ordered elswhere:
    Can I get it cheaper and if so:
    Would I be getting the same mattress
    Can I buy it elsewhere, how can I check I’m getting the same product?

    Hi Jo. Excellent question and the short simple answer is .. ‘PROBABLY’ .

    You can ‘probably’ get this mattress cheaper if you knew what the comparable model names are and what stores it was sold in. And, ..you can ‘probably’ be getting the same mattress or at least with a very slight variation that will not overall affect the quality or comfort. Where you can find these alternative models is at best difficult, and without any form of actual statement of content is at worst .. Impossible!

    The reason this site is so huge and complicated, and the reason people like yourself are wondering if you are making the ‘right choice’ or potentially being ‘duped’ is down to one single solitary reason and that is [apart from Vi Spring] you will not be told the ‘ingredients’ of any particular mattress from ANY manufacturer.

    The logic behind this secrecy is simple and of course understandable: All manufacturers have to get their product out in as many stores as possible in order to increase their sales potential and ultimately survive. The stores do not want you to go to their competitors so they call the same mattress by another name to avoid direct comparison. Some stores who have a greater purchasing power will have a product made with a slight tweak such as fabric design or a slight change in component composition in order for them to declare it as exclusive .. and so on. The ultimate game plan is to prevent you being able to go elsewhere!

    In all fairness to Vi Spring, they are the only manufacturer who detail and list the internal make-up of all their mattresses. They are a manufacturer who are at the very top of their game and so this disclosure is of course expected. The detriment to them doing this is that people like us can come along and manufacture a model that is as close as dammit to a particular model and being able to retail for considerably less. However, our argument and response has always been that people who can afford to buy Vi Spring mattresses WILL always buy Vi Spring. The people who wants the comfort and quality associated with Vi Spring but can’t necessarily afford a particular Vi Spring model will look to people like us to get the comfort and quality they like but for a much lower price.

    In answer to your question about the Mohair Classic (Harrison Spinks) it is unlikely that this particular model is also available elsewhere. However, you can look at this in two ways: 1) If this is the mattress that you think absolutely suits your needs and requirements then this is the price that you have to pay. 2) If this exceeds your budget, then you will have to compromise on some aspect of the mattress to bring it into your budget and buy an alternative model from either the same manufacturer or an equivalent from another manufacturer.

    The difficult part of this is finding out what aspects (components) of this particular mattress makes it ideal for you. Unlike Vi Spring, Harrison Spinks do not inform you of the exact composition of the component parts. They DO tell you and show you the number of springs and how they are built up because the spring units are made by them and are exclusive to them. As upholstery fillings are available to all and sundry (even us) it is this aspect of the mattress that can be replicated right down to the last ounce – and that is the one and only reason why you will not be told the upholstery breakdown by weight (GSM – Grams per Square Meter).

    In many cases it is relatively easy to detect who the manufacturer is in any shop or store and further test to see if there are equivalent models out there at a lesser price – or indeed it may be found that the price you have been quoted is the best price! As an example we will virtually dissect this particular model and see where it takes us:

    [Official Description] John Lewis Classic Mohair [£1899 KS]The Mohair Classic mattress features the Revolution® HD pocket spring system, with each pocketed spring containing an additional inner spring for extra support.
    It is hand made in Yorkshire, using locally sourced cotton, with Egyptian cotton, for softness and cool comfort, blended with hemp (a strong natural fibre which provides resilience to give cushioned recovery and breathability). It also contains British wool and fine mohair for a luxurious, sumptuous feel. These natural fibres have been used because of their superior ability to regulate body temperature and to reduce environmental impact.

    The description also lists the filling composition as being: Cotton, Egyptian cotton, wool, mohair and hemp. But, you will notice that there is absolutely NO indication of any weights of any particular component. Even if there was a total weight given of all components that would assist you in being able to find an alternative model either from the Harrison Spinks range (alternative retailer) or from a competing manufacturer using equivalent upholstery .

    As a prospective consumer it is unlikely that you will know what constitutes a fair or exceptional grammage of upholstery. Using the computer analogy you would expect to at least know what amount of memory / disc space you are spending your money on. It would be inconceivable that a salesman will tell you “this is a laptop and costs £1000 but we’re not telling you what’s inside because you might go and buy it elsewhere for less” As stupid as that statement is, that’s exactly what you are being told when buying a mattress.

    The model name on this particular mattress is “Mohair Classic”. You would expect that the main component would be of course “Mohair”. In the past we have tried to determine how much of their upholstery blend is indeed Mohair but it is practically impossible to find out! You really do need to know where your money is going.

    Finally Jo, In order to see if there is similar out there I would try Feather and Black as a first stop. Harrison Spinks also makes own label mattresses for F & B and I would assume they will know what their alternative will be.

    Even though your questions on the face of it seemed relatively simple they are quite impossible to answer without any degree of certainty. There is no way manufacturers will list components in a way that will be beneficial to consumers as they will be cutting their own throats so to speak. Hope this helps and I would appreciate a follow up comment to let us (and other readers) know what you find out. John and Ryan.

  • Karl Wilson says:

    hi,
    I have just started looking for a new divan and have laid on quite a few, it seems that with the ten minutes one lies on the beds that the Harrison Nirvana and the Harrison Paradise fit the bill comfort wise. £1159 and £1549 respectively.

    The background is that my wife has Fybro-myalgia(chronic pain disorder) and weighs 9 1/2 stone, I weight 21 stone and when I sleep my hips hurt and I get a aching back, when I wake up(I sleep on my side) This only occurs when sleeping. I read with interest that inbuilt toppers wear out quickly, can you recommend a different mattress and seperate topper which is comparable with the beds I have mentioned.
    Thanks. Karl.

    Hi Karl. Sadly to say there is not one particular mattress that will adequately suit you both as your weight differences are too great. You will have to go down the zip and link route to find the perfect combination of support and comfort to suit you both.

    At 21 stone you will need a firm support (about 1.6mm) and your wife will need soft (about 1.3mm). Combining these two kinds of spring tensions on one mattress is not an option open to us [it has to be soft and med or med and firm].

    Your wife’s condition requires there to be no undue pressure and so the comfort layers will be her main concern – assume that the soft spring tension will be right for the support. Taking into account your budget I would opt for either The Artisan Naturals as a first choice or The Artisan Tailored Pocket. I would also factor in to your budget the cost of a feather topper – more for your wife to add a further layer of softness. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Natasha Clark says:

    We have been looking at a Superking John Lewis Natural Collection Mohair Classic Mattress but don’t like the plastic draw saddles on the corresponding divan base. Why oh why do they put these on so visibly and absolutely ruin the look of an expensive piece of furniture? I prefer both the look and the fabric range of the ViSpring base I have seen, where there is no plastic edging to the drawers.

    I have been advised not to mix and match manufacturers, to avoid any “blame Issues” that may arise if there is a subsequent mattress problem. We could buy a non-sprung Vi-Spring base but have been told this decreases the mattress longevity. AND there is a slight size discrepancy – VISpring base 182cm, JLP mattress 180cm. Have you been asked this query before and what would be your advice to get the mattress we want combined with the aesthetic look we want? Mix and match or compromise on something? And do you have an equivalent!?
    Thanks very much.

    Hi Natasha. Good point. However, it is all price related. The Vi Spring Prestige base for a double at John Lewis is currently £950 [Aug 2012] The True Edge Superking Base at John Lewis (we assume by Harrisons) is £599 (Aug 2012).

    I personally cannot see any reason why one manufacturers mattress cannot be used on another manufacturers base but, I would be inclined to get each manufacturers approval by doing so. There is another comment on this site by someone who used a Vi Spring mattress on a sprung slatted ottoman. Vi Spring advised them that to avoid any warranty issue they had to use pegboard and a mattress pad of sorts (quite good advice).

    A size discrepancy of 2cm really is nominal and once your bedding is in place you will never notice this.

    Finally, we would have no concerns whatsoever if you used our mattress on someone else’s base and incidentally, our bases too have the drawer corner saddles applied (sorry). John and Ryan.

  • Vera says:

    Hi, I just ordered a Chatsworth Mattress from Lombok but am now wondering if it is a good quality one. i don’t have much time to do a research but would appreciate your advise. my budget is around £1000 and i am looking for mideum to firm king size mattress. would be great to have a comfortable sleep for the next 10yrs+. thank you

    Hi Vera. As you may know this is a Hypnos mattress made exclusively for Lombok £995 Kingsize.

    [Official Description – I have emboldened the important bits] Exclusively for Lombok by Hypnos, our Chatsworth mattress provides a firm and supportive comfort level through sophisticated and elegant syle. This wonderful pocket sprung mattress is enriched with luxurious natural fibres with a lavish exterior. The eOlus breathable white fibre helps to regulate the body temperature allowing a delightful sleep. Two rows of genuine hand stitiching provides strength to the mattress border and creates a well-tailored finish. Available as a super king zipped allowing you to ease is movement around your home.

    Key Features:
    – 8 turn ReActive spring pocket sprung mattress
    – Fillings: 2 rows hand side stitiching, Eco polycotton blend, eOlus breathable white fibre, Polysilk blend

    As you can see from the key features there may be some ambiguity. The main description states quite clearly that it is “enriched” with natural fibres. If we look at the key features we assume that this refers to the Polycotton blend (usually referring to a blend of polyester and cotton). The Polysilk blend would need clarification as to whether this component actually contains silk and of course in what amount.

    The Hypnos Orthos Silk (<> £630 KS Mattress (9/8/12) seems to be a close contender.
    [Official Description]
    ReActive™ 8 pocket springs (8 active turns)
    Three rows of genuine hand side-stitching
    Fillings: Wool, Silk and eOlus™ sustainable fibre
    Hand-tufted finish
    Upholstered with Silver Infused Belgian Finest Damask

    Utilising also the 8 turn Reactive springs. The thing you need to do yourself is to see which mattress gives you the most upholstery in order for you to make a considered comparison. For £300 or so less I would be inclined to investigate further the Orthos Silk model. John and Ryan.

  • Angie Hunt says:

    Hi

    I have a budget of £2000 – what, in your expert opinion, is the best bed I could buy please?
    Many thanks
    Angie

    Hi Angie. £2000 is quite a high budget. I would look at Vi Spring as the first manufacturer to see how you find the comfort levels of these particular offerings. I would also look at retailers such as John lewis or Furniture Village more than the Dreams or Bensons outlets. If the mattress you fall in love with is beyond your £2000 then give us a call and I’m pretty certain we can offer you something quite similar to fit. John and Ryan.

  • Angie Hunt says:

    Hi

    We have a budget of £2000. I thought it would be very straightforward getting a new bed. Having read your advice and shopped around in many different shops and looked at comparison sites, I just cannot decide what the best buy would be! I do know I do not want a memory foam bed. Should I get the best Vi-Spring for that money or are there other brands that are just as good? It’s turning into a nightmare!!! Would be so grateful for your expert advice.
    Angie.

    Hi Angie. £2000 is a lot of money to spend on a mattress but with this budget your choice really does become simpler – with caveats. On the pyramid of best mattress manufacturers Vi Spring is nearer the top than many others – no question. As with all manufacturers they too have a bottom of the range and a top of the range. Consider that their top of range incorporates The Signatory and Magnificence, both retailing close to the ten thousand mark will put into perspective what level your two thousand pounds will be placed.

    In our opinion Furniture Village has a good array of the bulk of all Vi Spring (core range) mattresses. Once you have tried these it does give you quite a good benchmark on the difference between a good mattress and a not so good mattress. Once you have found a mattress you like, it becomes easy peasy to find a lower priced alternative, but also you may find that the one you like actually fits your budget.

    The other good thing with Vi Spring is that their site does inform you of the general make up (specification) of their products. When you are spending this amount of money on something you really do need to know where your money is going. Vi Spring is the only manufacturer who uses calico springs in their entire product range and this sole usage reflects the provenance and quality of this particular spring type. Hope this helps Angie and please feel free to comment further on what you find. John and Ryan.

  • Tricia says:

    Hi
    My partner and I have been looking for a king size bed. We have agreed we like the Dreams Lincoln (3500 pocket sprung); we also like the Hypnos beds used by Premier Inn. However the beds are about £1600. Are there other makes that would feel the same but maybe not cost as much? Your advise would be appreciated.

    Hi Tricia. We’re not particularly sure who makes the Dreams Lincoln model but for the price asked [£1429. KS mattress: 13/08/12] you really do have some further viable alternatives. Off the top of my head I would take a trip to Furniture Village and look at some of the models from The Handmade Bed Co (Millbrook). Their 3000 model for example is slightly more at around £1600 KS Mattress but the overall quality of the product is quite evident.

    I would imagine the Hypnos Beds as used in Premier Inn are built to a specification dictated by the hotel group. Despite intensive searching we cannot find reference as to any of the composite build features so the task of offering an alternative model becomes quite impossible. It is worth noting that Hypnos uses two kinds of pocket springs (unique to them) The Reactive Pocket Spring and The Ultrasens Pocket Spring. The Ultrasens being found in the more expensive models.

    It would be amiss of me not to point you also to our Artisan Naturals model. The spring unit alone used in this model makes this a worthwhile consideration and price should be used as a guide in order for you to see if you can find a better built model for an equivalent selling price. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Vera says:

    Hi John and Ryan,
    thank you so much for your recommendation with regards to Lombok mattress. Can i pls ask you another question – i am generally after a good quality mattress that i can find in this market for about £1000 that does not have to be turned with season. I have looked at Sleepeezee Cool Comfort and then some of the Hypnos pillowtop mattrasses. how do they compare in terms of quality. and separately, would you in general recommend buying non-turn mattrasses or would i be better off getting Hypnos Baronnes or Hypnos Orthos? baronnes and orthos use different springs…do you have a view on them? thank you so much!!! you guys make life of so many people easier.

    Hi again Vera. Firstly, our views on all pillowtop mattresses are laid out here. As is our views on one sided non turn mattresses Read Here.

    Considering that there are literally thousands of models out there, you really do need to have some sort of game plan in order for you to be able to select the best available for your budget. The options you give above are completely different in price range and build construction. If your budget is <> £1000 you should be concentrating on what mattresses out there are available for your requirements [you do not mention your bodyweight which is absolutely crucial – eg: no point in looking at orthopaedic mattresses if your weight does not require it].

    Doing a preliminary search of the obvious contenders [Dreams / Bensons etc] will basically show you what your £1000 can get you. If you look at our Artisan Naturals as an alternative example this will give you a pretty good benchmark as to what can be gained for this kind of budget.

    Like we have said countless times before, the problem of manufacturers and retailers not giving you specific component details in order for you to do adequate comparisons will become quite apparent, relatively quickly in your search and no doubt be the source of your complete frustration. It is not acceptable in this day and age to expect a customer to shell out what is a significant amount of money on a list of exaggerated materials without backing this up with any weights or measures. It is up to you to dig deeper and make the relevant enquiries as to where and on what your money is going. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

    [25 August 2012]
    Thank you for a comprehensive response. I weight about 10.3 stones (65kg) and am 6′ tall. i don’t like sleeping on soft mattresses and thus got interested in Orthos. But agree with you they might be a bit hard. Can i pls ask you one more question? apologies for asking too many :) – which mattress in the market would you compare you Artisan Naturals? I just want to try it out, to get a feel for it as the price you are indicating is inside of my budget. thank you very much in advance. Vera.

    Hi again Vera. Firstly, please do not apologise for the number of questions you have to ask. Unfortunately, one answer to a direct question opens up the door to a further ten questions. As you can see by the number of comments throughout this site there is not a straightforward answer to anything.

    As a comparison model to The Artisan Naturals we always point people in the direction of Vi Spring and their Regal Superb model in particular. However, these are not like for like equivalents (although we can do this if required).

    If we look at how the Vi Spring Regal Superb is constructed you will be easily able to draw comparisons to our Artisan Naturals.

    [Vi Spring Regal Superb – Official Description]
    1.28mm wire springs, 48mm in diameter, sewn in individual calico pockets and hand-formed into a honeycomb-nested unit. 23cm deep with three rows of genuine hand side-stitching. Eight horizontal handles on King Size and above. Air vents on all sides. Borders upholstered in protective wool, finished with piped ticking.
    Upholstered with 1,000gsm bonded British fleece wool and cotton, then 1,200gsm long-stranded horsetail blended with British fleece wool and enclosed in a hair-proof cambric cover. Overlaid with a layer of 900gsm blended real Shetland Isle fleece wool and cotton.

    It has to be said Vera, this is a fabulous mattress from the UK’s premier manufacturer. What I say below is not to be taken as any indication of our product is in any way better or worse. When making any kind of comparison (against any products) it is best to dissect the mattress as a whole and see if the integral components are better / equivalent / worse than the comparable model. Obviously the final price should be your means of decision.

    SPRINGS: Hand Laid, Hand Nested sewn Calico springs are the ultimate in spring support and construction [for a company such as Vi Spring to use anything less would be inconceivable which puts this particular spring arrangement into perspective] – our calico springs are as close as you can get to a Vi Spring Calico Spring. On The Vi Spring Regal Superb they use 1720 springs – We use 1396 (they have 324 more). The difference is in the actual diameter of the spring – in this particular model they utilise a 4.8cm diameter spring – we use a 5.4cm diameter spring.

    UPHOLSTERY: Upholstery levels can be broken down into three parts:
    1. The Insulating layer: – the upholstery directly on top of the springs
    2. The Core layer: – Usually the support element of upholstery
    3. The Primary Layer: The comfort layer directly beneath the fabric

    We can see from the official description above that Vi Spring use 1000gsm Bonded British Fleece wool and cotton. We use 1500gsm Mohair. In our minds Mohair (a course hair component) provides a more durable element to the mattress.

    On top of this Vi Spring utilise 1200gsm Horsetail blended with wool. We use 1200gsm Cotton (600gsm) blended with polyester (600gsm). Obviously the Horsetail and wool component is a better overall product and it is this element alone which enables us to retail at the price we do. As this layer is the core support layer, the attributes between the two can be deemed as similar.

    The primary layer on the Vi Spring RS is 900gsm Shetland Isle belended fleece wool and cotton. We use 1200 gsm blended wool and cotton. The difference between Shetland fleece wool and British fleece wool is open to argument. I personally would not be able to tell the difference side by side of the two. Our blend is a 50/50 of wool and cotton and I can only assume that Vi Springs blend would be in the same ratio.

    This Vera, is all the comparison data you require. Although not identical, a similarity of overall comfort is achievable. Please let us know how you get on and please feel free to add further comment. John and Ryan.

  • Ann says:

    Dear John and Ryan,
    Just stumbled across your website and what a breath of fresh air it is!! Just a shame more companies can’t do the same! Anyway I’d like some advice on buying a mattress. At the moment I have a Kng-size Manor Ortho mattress, open coil range from Sprung Slumber which sits on a solid mahogany wood slatted base. I’m not looking to change the bed as I figure its the mattress that’s the problem not the bed frame.

    I weigh about 11stone and am 5’8. I sleep on my own as I lost my husband last year and I’m quite nervous of spending a lot of money without being able to obtain some genuine advice (which you seem to offer!) but I really need a comfortable mattress as the one I have is anything but! I’m looking to spend between £500 and £800 though i would stretch a little further if you thought I would benefit more – after all we do spend a long time in bed and I’m fed up of waking with lower back ache! Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards Ann

    Hi Ann. I really would consider The Artisan Naturals as your first choice – this is a phenomenal mattress and our pride and joy as there is nothing else out there that can get close to quality and price. As a secondary alternative, consider The Origins Latex. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Eve says:

    Wow – what a helpful post.

    Can you help me at all? We have just bought a new bedframe, and need to buy a new mattress, i’d LOVE a Tempur cloud, really into trying out memory foam but we may move in a couple of years and may need a king size which we don’t have room for now so at the moment we want to spend upto £500 – £600 on a similar kind of mattress. I am 5″3 and weigh between 9 to 9.5 stone and my partner is 6″1 and weighs maybe 11 stone.
    I laid on an Icon Miracoil 6 superiar and liked the feel of that (but not sure on quality) and we are going to look in Dreams tonight.
    Thank you :-)

    Hi Eve. Before you go down the memory foam route I really would advise you read this post and associated comments Here.

    To start with, and the obvious route, is looking closely at the mattress you like – The Tempur Cloud 22 model is (paraphrasing) a basic construction of a High Density Foam Support (11cm) – topped with two layers of differing densities of pressure Relieving Foam (5cm + 6cm) and for this 22cm layers of foam you are being asked to hand over <>£1700. (KS). [Incidentally, there seems to be an anomaly on this description between Furniture Village and John Lewis. JL say that the breakdown is 11+4+6 and FV say that the breakdown is 11+5+6 (This is the correct breakdown)] More incidentally – Tempur sell this model direct through their site at £2.299. which is absolutely deplorable – meaning that their (Tempur) stockists are able to sell it cheaper than the manufacturer – Tempur will charge you <>£600 MORE for buying direct – WHY?

    The Cloud 25 model [£2175. (KS) John Lewis (Sept 2012)] is slightly different with High Density Foam Support (11cm) – topped with two layers of differing densities of Pressure Relieving Material (7cm + 7cm) – So logically, the only difference between these two models is an extra 3cm of Pressure Relieving Material (for want of a better word) in The Cloud 25 and for this 3cm you will pay .. wait for it … wait for it … …. £475.00. Incidentally, Tempur sell this online for .. gulp ..splutter … £2899.00.

    If I was expected to hand over nearly three grand for a mattress I would expect to be told where my money was going – and this means I would want to know actual densities at the very least. All we’re currently told is that the mattress is built with Tempur Material, topped with a secondary Tempur support layer and finally topped with a layer of Tempur ES material for a softer feel … £2899. please .. thank you very much!

    Finally Eve, I would look at a company called Ergoflex and see if they can offer you more value for money than any of the bedsheds. Be aware that this is by no means a personal recommendation but a pointer to what constitutes a good starting point. To make comparisons between memory foam products is incredibly easy. Be prepared to spend at least one hour drawing up a basic comparison table of Price, Depth and densities and ASK QUESTIONS. John and Ryan.

    Thank you both for your informative reply.
    After looking round a few shops we have set given ourselves a decision between the Icon Miracoil 6 Superior which is sold in Carpet right and looking back on previous posts on your website made by Breasley or the Icon Prestige – can you recommend either? The Prestige is slightly firmer which we like, but we ultimately like both.
    I am 5″3 and weigh 9 stone and my partner is 6″1 and weighs 12 stone
    Thanks again!

    Hi again Eve. I think you’ve got the names of these models mixed up a bit. The Miracoil 6 is from Silentnight and The Icon mattress is the one from (presumably) Breasley. As for a recommendation as to which is better than the other is something we cannot do. You are now armed with more information than you were when you started, and the decision as to which you choose is now down to you. John and Ryan.

  • Alison says:

    Hello – I’m looking for an electric ‘double’ bed – kings size. What would you buy? We like a firm mattress and don’t want a headboard. Thanks for any help from your great site. Alison

    Hi Alison. Usually the mattresses that accompany electric beds will either be latex or foam, or a combination of both. The reason for this is that there has to be an element of bend in the mattress to form with the movement of the electric bed.

    There are pocket sprung mattresses that have had the perimeter rod edge removed in order for it to move with the mechanics of the bed but unfortunately;y these are few and far between.

    Although we will be supplying a range of electric beds and a selection of mattresses to go with them, this will not be until early next year. We are currently still researching all the available options and unfortunately again, we are not in a position to make any kind of recommendations. John and Ryan.

  • Christie says:

    What a fantastic website you have here, it’s so interesting to read!
    We have been thinking about getting the Sleepeezee 3000 black cashmere after testing it out in carpet right do you have any cheaper recommendations?

    Thanks in advance.

    Hi Christie. In order to see if we, or indeed anyone else has a viable alternative you have to read behind the specifications and virtually dissect the mattress to see exactly what it is you are considering. In this case it is relatively easy to do and I assume you refer to the Pocket Sovereign 3000 [Black Label]

    [Official Specification: KS £949.00: Sleepeezee Pocket Sovereign 3000: October 2012]
    With 3000 pocketed springs giving you independent support over two layers, 47mm of Visco elastic memory foam and 30mm of iFoam memory foam, there aren’t many beds which work as hard as this to give you the perfect night’s sleep.

    This mattress is one of our best yet. Sitting under the mock pillow top finish, the 47mm of Visco memory foam moulds to your body providing greater support than traditional fillings. What’s more another layer of high density iFoam, with pressure sensitivity, reacts faster to your body position giving you a consistent and luxurious level of support.

    You’ll find the cashmere knitted panel is softer than wool and it also provides insulation and moisture absorbing properties. We’ve used Outlast yarn so if you’re looking for the ultimate in temperature control, you’ll find it here.

    Looking at the description this is essentially a Pocket Sprung Memory Foam mattress. The numbers you need for comparison are 5cm of Memory Foam and 3cm of I-Foam (I-Foam is a relatively new foam product and I think is a good partner to memory Foam rather than having a a single 8cm layer of just Memory Foam. However, I wouldn’t pay significantly more for it though.

    There is no indication as to the construction of the 3000 springs. I am assuming they are suspension pocket springs similar to our Sequence Pocket Suspension, but they could also be double tiered 1500 springs – no real need at this time to worry unduly over this.

    As a quick example of comparison take a look at this model (Healthopaedic) >here . This is 5cm of Memory Foam on 5cm of Reflex Foam but also using the 3000 Suspension Springs – for £400 less than the Carpetright model.

    This short example shows you that once you know the relevant specs you can easily and adequately do like for like comparisons against similarly built mattresses. Once you have your shortlist, you then have to make the decision as to whom you go with.

    I must point out that none of the above are a personal recommendation of product or supply. We do not sell or endorse any kind of Memory Foam mattress. For your £950 you were willing to spend on this particular mattress we would say your money would have been better spent on our Artisan Naturals or Artisan Tailored Pocket. John and Ryan

  • J B says:

    Hi there
    Looking for a new pocket sprung mattress but having some difficulties as we need a 160×200 size. Have been looking at John Lewis Natural Collection Luxury Egyptian Cotton mattress.

    I weigh 75kg, my partner 55kg. Do you do any Euro size mattresses?
    JB

    Hi JB. All our Artisan models can be made to Euro size (add 10% ). The John Lewis Luxury Egyptian Cotton mattress is made for the JL store by Harrisons. As a means of direct comparison you should take a look at the offerings from Feather and Black to see if they have a similar specced mattress. Even though the mattresses from F&B are under their own label, the bulk of them are also manufactured for them by Harrisons. Unfortunately, you will find precious little detail on the amounts and weights of upholstery contained and so I would be inclined to question the sales assistant on this in order for you to determine where your money is going.

    As for us, we base our comparable models to Vi Spring. The details on the listings are quite open and incredibly easy for you to do your own comparisons. Hope this helps. John and Ryan

  • Chris says:

    What a fab website you have here, we have been looking at beds and are totally blown away by the choice and different specs out there. We recently visited Carpetright and tried out a bed called Icon 2000 (A 27.5cm mattress is topped with 7.5cm of classic memory foam, all supported by 2000 high-density foam-encased pocket springs.)

    Now i must admit the bed was comfy but we have never heard of Icon beds and do not know if this bed is worth the asking price £999… I would like to ask you in your experience does this seem like a good buy and have you ever heard of Icon beds. Thank you in advance.

    Hi Chris. Indeed it is a minefield, but not completely one that is insurmountable.

    As far as I am aware, the product you mention under the branding of ‘Icon’ used by Carpetright is a product from Breasley Memory Foam. For means of comparison you would be wise to do your like for like comparisons against their own Salus range of products.

    Doing comparisons against any Memory Foam products is incredibly easy. The points you need to assess are:
    The general overall build. In this case it is a FEPS (Foam Encapsulated Pocket Springs) unit Read More Here.

    The depth of the Memory Foam used. In this case you have correctly identified it as being 7.5cm.

    There is no doubt about it you will be able to source a similar constructed Memory Foam product for considerably less. Invariably the bulk of all Memory Foam (as a component) comes from British Vita. Mass produced pocket springs in a spunbond casement can also be deemed to be generally alike. The foam that is used in all mattresses (in this case as the encapsulation unit) will again be invariably from British Vita (under the Reflex trade mark) but there are a handful of other foam converters who also supply many manufacturers – I personally would not be too concerned about any UK foam supplier.

    Hope this helps Chris. As a final bit of advice I really would go to a High end store in order for you to see what a quality traditional built mattress feels like. The price tags you see may be cause for a sharp intake of breath but like the model above – there are alternatives for much less. John and Ryan.

  • Maggie Bicknell says:

    Thankyou for such a useful website! We have a very old maple wood slatted bed and are replacing the original horsehair mattress. We liked a Sleepeeze Lincoln we tried in a Dreams store but wondered if something very slightly softer would be best with slats. We wanted pocket springs but would like to keep the price nearer £800 – 900 if possible. Would be grateful if you could make some suggestions.
    Many thanks, Maggie

    Hi Maggie. I agree, but bear in mind the support has to be right for your bodyweights. All mattresses that sit on a firm base (slats / platform top divan) will indeed feel firmer than those on a spring edged divan.

    I would consider our Origins Latex for two reasons. 1. It falls well within your budget. 2 As it is latex (a considerable amount) on a pocket spring unit, the springs will be acting as a suspension on your base and the latex will be offering the comfort. John and Ryan.

  • karl says:

    i work in a independant bed shop and your site and responses to cust questions are of similar to myself. what surprises me is the amount of big name shops these people visit(and are probably prepared to buy from) the prices they quote are ridiculous and looking at your comparisons are similair to our prices.i cant understand why they think because its High Street they are getting a good product at a less price .have you seen there accounts there margins are enormous

    Hi Karl. Thanks for your contribution. John and Ryan.

  • Martin Quinn says:

    Hi,

    I have been looking to purchase a new King Size Divan Bed and am struggling to make a final choice. The three we seemed to have come down to are the following;

    Healthopaedic Supreme Vasco 1000 – Mattress and Base around £500

    Sensaform Seasons Supreme King Size – Mattress and Base around £1500
    (memory foam and 3000 premium pocket springs).
    Harrison Paradise 5000 – Mattress £800

    We have tried all three beds and think they feel great initially. We want that soft sinking feeling but with enough support that it will last the test of time (5-8 years). If you had any pointers on these brands in terms of quality, durability and value for money it would be appreciated.
    Thanks in advance,
    Martin.

    Hi Martin. Out of these three I personally would opt for the Harrisons paradise 5000. Even though it is a pillowtop and obviously one sided – the Harrisons pillowtop incorporates mini springs encased by upholstery. There is another comment here about the Harrisons Paradise 5000 which is worth reading.

    As a further option, have a look at our Artisan Naturals. By seeing what our precise build content is you will be in a position to do a comparison with other models – although you will have to make enquiries as to what the comparable components are. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • C Baker says:

    Hi. Great website.
    Would you expect a divan bed to come with some sort of label attached indicating the maker?
    Many thanks

    Hi C. Divan Bases do not usually come with a manufacturers label. John and Ryan.

  • Mette says:

    Hiya. I have been looking for a mattress to replace a much too soft Hypnos Orthos super deluxe one which we spent a fortune on a few years ago. We have an old smaller Hypnos Orthos in our spare room which is perfect (but too small). Older version but don’t know the range so don’t know how to find. Any ideas? Many thanks in advance

    Hi Mette. It’s always nice when you find the perfect mattress. I would be inclined to phone Hypnos [01844 348200] to see if they can help identify your spare room mattress. John and Ryan.

  • Sarah Saunders says:

    Hi there

    I am looking to buy a new mattress and hope you can help. Which brand is better quality… Harrison or Somnus? I understand both brands are part of the same parent company.
    Thank you

    Hi Sarah. Harrison Spinks have three main brands. Harrisons > Somnus > Spink and Edgar. As the springs used in all their models over all three brands are produced in house you can be assured that the relative support properties over the entire range can be easily discernible. What becomes questionable is the number of springs used that can be deemed adequate, exceptional or even unnecessary. The Spink and Edgar top of range Empire has a specified 21700 springs (Revolution/HD) and yet the top of range Somnus (Sensa Pocket) Ambassador has a specified 16000 springs.

    Personally I think you are approaching this in the wrong way. Your initial enquiries should be focussed on what you can realistically obtain for your budget and then see which manufacturer can offer you the best for your money. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • kate harrison says:

    Hi.

    After trawling shops today feeling nothing but confusion I have come across your site!! There’s light at the end of the tunnel! Ha!

    We are after a king size mattress pocket sprung maybe pillow topped firm(ish)
    The one we found was in laura Ashley. Not sure who makes there beds?
    But it was the Beaumont pillow topped. It has hand side stitch,only one row though? What does this mean?
    Also saw some others in Bensons for beds.. Royal crown ortho. Not pillow topped but felt quite nice.could you tell me the differences?

    Want the feel of a a bit of luxury,something that you sink in to a little that wraps around you, but with firmness and support .
    My hubby is 12st 7 myself 9st.

    Confused.com

    Hi Kate. Lets cut to the chase. The mattresses you are looking at retail in the area of £450. This is not an extravagant amount for a KS mattress but the choice (and obvious unnecessary confusion) is vast.

    It’s not possible to go through each and every model but once you get your head around the fact that there is not much you can squeeze into a mattress to retail for this amount your initial selections should be relatively easy.

    First of all I am going to point you towards our Origins Pocket 1500 Read Here. Use this as your first mattress to compare others by. Initially it will be easy to jot down a selection of mattresses based on the pocket spring support and the price (£495.). Use the obvious suspects such as Dreams / Bensons etc and then google search 1500 pocket spring mattress.

    finally kate, have a look at this post to explain the pros and cons with pillow top mattresses. John and Ryan.

  • Jonathan Buxton says:

    We are currently looking to buy a new mattress and have just been to Dreams. The mattress we liked was the Revitalise king mattress with latex top. This is a medium firm mattress graded 3. I have read so many bad things about Dreams and was wondering if there was an equivalent mattress somewhere else or if their price of £779 for a king size was any good.

    Hi Jonathan. Easy .. Latex on a pocket spring support unit. Our offering is our Origins Latex 1500 at £700.00 (Kingsize: January 2013).

    The extra 100 pocket springs in our model is neither here nor there, What is important though is the amount of Latex used as the comfort layer. Unfortunately Dreams do not tell you this most crucial detail so I would be inclined to phone their Customer Services dept to find out [ 0844 225 9259 (Is this a premium rate number?) or Head Office on 01628 520520].

    Firmness grading of mattresses is a nonsense. As we have pointed out countless times throughout this site the firmness you feel on any mattress will depend on your bodyweight. If you are 20 stone and your missus or partner is 10st it is impossible that you will both experience a medium feel.

    To find equivalents you have to know what the benchmarks are. In this case we know it’s 1400 pocket springs with a comfort layer of latex. What are the depths (quantity) of latex used? What type of latex? Graphite (grey) latex is the cheapest. Graphite is added to obtain the Fire Retardancy requirements (legal in the UK). Graphite can be up to 30% of the volume mixture. The latex we use is from Latexco where the FR requirement is gained via a (Oeko-tex certified) spray on retardant so no filler as part of the material. FYI – The other major Latex supplier is Latex International. No one should assume that all “latex” is the same. Like every other part of your mattress you should ask the what, where and the whys.

    If you find out the detail from Dreams about The Zen Revitalize I will be able to assist you in doing adequate comparisons. John and Ryan.

    Many thanks for your reply. As you might expect Dreams were unable to be very specific. They said that the latex was “about an inch in depth” but only from looking and not from actual measurements. Also they agreed that the latex was graphite latex but could not tell me what percentage!

    I forgot to say that I weigh 13 stone and my wife weighs 10 stone. Also the bed frame has wooden slats (not sprung) that are 3 inches wide and 5 inches apart – I don’t know if this makes a difference.

    Finally if we buy a latex top matress do we also need a matress topper or is a good matress protector enough?

    Hi again Jonathan. Enough said. As with any mattress out there, once you know where your money is going, and on what, it is incredibly easy to see whether you are being overcharged for overpriced tat or you are getting a good product for a good price.

    The Dreams Zen Revitalise [Dreams: Kingsize: January 2013] retails at £779. It also carries an utterly implausible WAS price of £2,089. Now you know roughly the make up of this particular mattress you should look at other offerings (not just our Origins Latex at £700) to see which is offering you the best for your money.

    Your bedframe with fixed slats should really have a mattress pad acting as a suspension to the mattress, This can be as simple as an inch layer of foam. Adding this will assist in the suspension properties of the mattress more for your wifes 10st frame than you. As a note, the non sleep side of our latex mattress is supplemented by a foam layer but many non turn mattresses do not have this.

    Protector or topper? Anything is better than nothing. Whatever mattress you decide upon try it without anything (double sheet) for a couple of weeks and see what you need to make it perfect for you both. All mattresses will break in slowly over time and like new shoes become more comfortable over time.

    I’m glad that you are able to back up what we say. But again, please don’t take what we say Carte Blanch without additional research. You now know what we can give you for £700. It should now be an easy matter to search for kingsize latex matts for this budget to give you a few more models for comparison. John and Ryan.

  • Fiona says:

    Hi John an Ryan!
    I have been going out of my mind trying to find the perfect bed. I suffer from chronic pain, i have fibromyalgia which had a massive impact on my daily life. I’ve been sleeping on a firm miracoil silentnight mattress and slatted wooden base, probably the worst i could!

    Through research i have discovered that i need a soft/gentle mattress with latex. I prefer soft, i weigh only 55kg and im 170cm. I’ve also been told a pocket sprung between 1000-2500 springs would be good (with the latex)

    What im not sure of is whether a spring free latex/foam mattress is a better option than this? I have been looking at the Silentnight Barcelona, Sealy Alvaston, Zen rejuvinate and Dunlopillo Cocoon 5. I’ve been looking at beds up to £1500 inc divan with 4 drawers. Also, should i consider milbrook, vogue and do i need a sprung edge base? Please help, even if it could lessen my pain by 20% i would be so happy! :-)

    Hi Fiona. My make up bag weighs more than you do 😉 and it is your weight that I would seriously bear in mind regarding your purchase. In the majority of cases support and comfort should go hand in hand. For you, support becomes secondary, and it is the comfort level (upholstery) that becomes the important factor – particularly when you take your fibromyalgia into consideration.

    As a first option, I would say that our Origins Comfort (I know it’s the cheapest) would be ideal for your weight. However, with fibromyalgia I ‘think’ the deep tufting (and obvious uneven surface) on this mattress may cause you to experience some undue pressure. To combat this, and to obviously give the cloud like feel you need, I would invest the money you save on a very soft (decent) topper – Down and feather for example.

    Alternatively, out of all the mattresses you mention above, the Dunlopillo Cocoon would be worthy of a second look and trial. Normally, I would say that our Origins Pocket Latex is a far better buy, but in your case you do not need the depth of latex we have in our model – a lesser built mattress (despite it costing you more) may be more suitable for your requirements.

    Finally Fiona, please keep in touch and let us know what you decide upon. We get several enquiries from people with this debilitating condition and we would like to know which product turns out to be the most suitable. John and Ryan.

  • Dave says:

    Hi Guys

    I’ve recently purchased a Millbrook Saturn 2500 4ft Small Double mattress and am worried my base might not be suitable – it’s a slatted base with 9cm gaps – the slats are quite small too at about 9cm each.

    If at all possible I’d rather not buy a new base (I’m on a modest budget and overspent on the mattress) but if I’m not going to get the benefit ill find a way.

    Many thanks
    Dave

    Hi Dave. No need to spend if you do not have to. Have a look at this similar comment which should help you [ Read Here].

    Secondly, and I think more importantly. You should be doing all you can to protect the mattress from the top .. ie .., with the use of a topper or at the very least, a protector. Not only will this addition for a minimal expense give you additional comfort, but will deter the upper comfort layer on your mattress from prematurely deteriorating. Hope this helps, John and Ryan.

    Many thanks for the advice Guys,

    I hadn’t even considered a topper/protector ill be sure to invest in one.

    I’ve read in previous comments that you aren’t a huge fan of placing a slab of Mdf over the slats for ventilation reasons – would adding some additional slats be preferable?
    Thanks again
    Dave

    Hi again Dave. We don’t necessarily agree with entire coverage, but bridging the humps with MDF as outlined on this comment I sent you will assist in gaining a more level surface for your mattress. Remember to cushion this in order to protect the underside upholstery of your mattress. John and Ryan.

  • Diana says:

    Hi,
    I really hope you can help as I am not sure which mattress to get.
    My landlord has purchased a solid slat bedstead 4’6 double from dreams and I need to find a suitable mattress (as the one he has chosen is too soft).
    I had a bad lumber sprain/tear a few months ago which left me on the floor for 2 weeks and need a firm mattress (currently on memory foam which is awful). Dreams suggested their Orchid pocket sprung ortho grade 1 mattress, but it is out of my landlords budget.

    Is a ‘sealy millionaire posturpedic ortho’, ‘rest assured venice 1400 pocket ortho’ or ‘rest assured anastasiya ortho’ similar? These ones are within my landlords bugdet.
    Any advice would be much appeciated as I see you are helping a lot of customers on this site which is amazing!
    Many thanks in advance,
    Diana

    Hi Diana. I am assuming from the above models that your (landlords) budget is in the region of £300. and all mattresses in this price range are pretty much of a muchness.

    Looking at the (so called) specification on these models they tell you very little in order for you (and us) to make any sort of comparison. Sealy and Rest Assured are both part of the Silentnight stable using different methods of spring support. The quantity of upholstery used is not mentioned, which again will leave you floundering as to which one is giving you the most mattress for your money.

    Personally, for this budget I would look elsewhere. read this comment [here] from someone who was in a similar position as you.

    Please follow up with what you decide upon in order to help other readers in a similar position. John and Ryan.

  • Katy says:

    Hi
    I love the John Lewis 9000 matress. It’s £2000 and we really wanted to spend no more than £1000.
    Can you suggest anything that will give us that lovely supported sinking comfort for our budget? We have looked at the savoy 2200 in benson for beds and the dreams staples Avebury.
    Thank you

    Hi Katy. The John Lewis 9000 (I assume it is The Angora?) is manufactured for JL by Harrison Spinks. They also manufacture for Feather and Black so I would see what they have in order to do some like for like comparisons. I would also look at Harrisons own core range to see if any models can be used as further comparison.

    Looking at The Savoy after The John Lewis models tells me you are in ‘sticking pins’ mode with no real idea of what you are after. What is good, is that you have a budget to work to and you should use that as an initial starting point to see what you can reasonably expect to get.

    For example, and a very good starting point (even if I do say so myself) is our Artisan Naturals [Read Here]. Use the description as the basis for your search and see if you can better for a similar retail price.

    Hope this helps, and please feel free to comment further on what you find. John and Ryan.

    2013/01/25 at 17:45
    Thanks so much for your advice.
    I will be visiting feather and black tomorrow to see what the options are there….for price I want to try the bronte which is currently just £795.

    I have looked at Harrison’s but I’m unsure how I can try the beds?
    Your matresses look fantastic, but even when comparing the materials etc, how can you know what it will feel like….you compare to the vi sprung regal suburb, are you saying your matress feels like this to lay on, in which case I will try this also.
    Once again your help and advice is appreciated.
    Katy

    Hi again Katy. Feather and Black have matts manufactured under their own label by Harrisons, The Bronte is one of these. John Lewis also have matts by Harrisons under the JL label. Obviously a quick search on the net will throw up the local retailers who stock Harrisons core range.

    As a sidenote, and I hope there was no confusion. We do not compare our mattresses to Vi Spring, or any other manufacturer. The theme running through this site is that you need to know what the comparable models are, and we give you a helping hand in order to show you what is available.

    When you try The Bronte, you should also be in a position to know what alternative models are comparable from other retailers and manufacturers in order to satisfy yourself that your money has been spent wisely.

    Please let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Joe says:

    We are looking for a new Kingsize mattress to go over an Ottoman base (which we haven’t got yet but probably slats) and we have tried out the following 3
    VI-SPRING BEDSTEAD TRADITIONAL MATTRESS
    VI-SPRING BEDSTEAD REALM MATTRESS
    VI-SPRING BEDSTEAD SUPREME MATTRESS

    Whilst the Traditional was fine, but we didn’t ‘sink in’ as much as on the Realm which felt comfy – soft but supportive, I think the next one up was the Supreme which was really comfy however as the Realm was quoted at £1,500 ish that was at the very top of our budget.

    However we came across your website last night and was interested in how you’d compare.

    We’d like something that supports us but is also soft and comfy (but doesn’t feel like you sink too deeply when you sit on it – so it moves around when your partner sits down!). My weight varies between 9.5 – 10.5 stone, and my partner is about 11.5 stone.

    Would you recommend that we considered the Artisans Naturals? How does it compare to the supreme?

    Hi Joe. Comparisons become easy when you have the necessary detail to see what the differences are – and what those differences will cost you – and are you willing to pay that difference.

    The Vi Spring Traditional Bedstead is the starter model from VS – obviously a well respected manufacturer, so their starter models would be the equivalent of some manufacturers mid range.

    The Traditional Bedstead [£1075. KS. ASTB: January 2013] has the following upholstery:
    Upholstered with a wool spring protector pad, then 1,350gsm bonded British fleece wool and cotton, overlaid with two layers of 900gsm blended British fleece wool and cotton.

    Combined upholstery weight of 3150 gsm.

    The Vi Spring Bedstead Realm [£1432. KS: Furniture Village: January 2013] has the following upholstery:
    Upholstered with a wool spring protector pad, then 1,350gsm bonded British fleece wool and cotton, overlaid with 300gsm British fleece wool, 200gsm bamboo and finally 900gsm of blended British fleece wool and cotton.

    Combined upholstery weight of 2750 gsm

    And the Vi Spring Bedstead Supreme [£2025: KS: Furniture Village: January 2013] is as follows:
    Upholstered with a wool spring protector pad, then 1,000gsm bonded British fleece wool and cotton, plus 1,200gsm long-stranded horsehair, enclosed in a hair-proof cambric cover and finally overlaid with 1,200gsm blended British fleece wool and cotton.

    Combined upholstery weight of 3400 gsm.

    Looking at these side by side shows you that the Traditional and Realm are relatively similar (but the retail price is about £400 more. There is a slight difference in spring counts (1254 v 1326) but really this is such an insignificant difference it should not even come into the equation.

    The Bedstead Supreme is obviously the better built model out of all of these, and as you pointed out comes in at around £1000 more than The Traditional. You get 250 gsm more upholstery but this again is such an insignificant amount BUT, the quality of upholstery comes into play – Horsehair and Horsetail is the finest upholstery component in a mattress (and amongst the most expensive) and it is up to you to decide whether you invest into this.

    Our Artisan Naturals is described in full and intrinsic detail here and you now have all the information you need to see with whom and where you spend your money.

    Hope this helps Joe. Please feel free to comment further with how you are going to come to your decision. John and Ryan.

  • Sally says:

    Hi we are looking for a kingsize mattress. We have an awful Sleep to Live mattress and one side sags badly. After a lot of research we have decided upon a latex mattress. We have allergies, asthma, etc. We have found the natural vs synthetic latex ratio confusing. The mattress we are looking at is from Bensons for Beds – a Dunlopillo for £1000. We have had Dunlopillo pillows for years that we love. What would you recommend?

    Hi Sally. The risk of latex (in a mattress) triggering your allergy is quite rare as found by your use of latex pillows. All latex used in a mattress will be a blend of natural latex and synthetic latex. Finding out blend ratios borders on the impossible (ours is a 60/40 blend – 60% natural latex and 40% synthetic) Read here for more details

    I am assuming you are looking at The Dunlopillo Fusion from Bensons which is 5cm of latex on a foam support. i would look at other stockists of Dunlopillo (such as Furniture Village) to see if you can get better. The Dunlopillo Fusion Deep Cocoon 5 for example (has 7.5cm of latex) for around the same price.

    As a secondary consideration, use complete latex cores as a comparison. Judge whether any price difference is better spent on all latex or latex on a foam support. Hope this helps Sally. Please let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Ali says:

    Hi,

    This website is amazing! Thank you so much.

    We found 3 mattresses from Tender Sleep. One Pocket Indulgence, one Pocket Supreme and one Organic Cotton. I can’t find any details about these anywhere on the internet and they don’t go into detail on the site. My OH is on the heavier side and I am heavy but loosing weight and at least 5 and a half stone lighter than OH.

    Only info I can find on Indulgence: [£549. KS. Matt: Feb 2013] ‘With 1500 individually nested springs in the standard 150cm (5’0”) mattress the Pocket Indulgence has been upholstered using some of the finest materials, incorporating layers of white cotton felt, Ultra silk and lamb’s wool.
    The superior quality soft viscose chenille covering gives a luxurious and sumptuous surface to the mattress.
    Additional features include three rows of side stitching, flag stitched handles for ease of turning and gold plated vents, that allow the mattress to breathe. As a final touch we hand tuft using woollen tufts.’
    ======================================================
    Supreme: [£449. KS. Matt: Feb2013] Containing 1200 individually nested pocketed springs in the 150cm (5’0”) size, the mattress is upholstered with layers of high quality fillings and overlaid with Ultra Silk, giving a luxurious surface to the mattress.
    A superior quality damask has been used to cover the mattress.
    The woollen tufts and three rows of side stitching preserve the shape of the mattress and enhance its durability
    ====================================================
    Organic Cotton: [No pricing info]
    Containing upto 2000 pocketed springs.
    Upholstered with layers of high quality fillings of memory foam, reflex foam and super supreme.
    Then covered in superior quality eco friendly organic cotton.
    ==================================================

    OH has bad back, I do sometimes. OH sleeps either on front of back, I am a side sleeper.
    We will probably be getting a slatted base so will need to use wood and padding for the pocket springs.

    Any advice on mattresses best for us would be great. I do have allergies and suffer from asthma but have been fine on normal mattresses until now!

    Arggghhh! LOL!

    Hi Ali. Once again the lack of any substantial information of how these products differ from each other – and of course why the price differences? leaves you no better off as to which of these will be suitable for you.

    Taking into account the low retail price of these products leads me to believe that you may be better off purchasing the two main elements separately – Support + Comfort. For example, The Healthopaedic Memory Pocket Deluxe from Mattressman: [£275. KS. Matt. [Feb 2013]. This by itself is not enough to suit your requirements, but it will be an excellent basis of support. Purchase separately the comfort layers to suit you both. For example: The Duck Down Dual Chamber Topper: £67.50 KS. Duvet and Pillow Warehouse [Feb 2013].

    All mattresses below £400 are pretty standard despite the huge choice, and it is rather unlikely they will be able to contain all the elements you both need for support and comfort. Nine times out of ten it is always better to composite your own mattress as we have done above to give you the mattress you require.

    The savings you make by doing it this way will enable you to change the topper as and when required (the mattress part should always be like new (with care of course)) and you could also buy new bedding to keep the two parts together – and still come home with change.

    Hope this helps Ali. Please let us know what you decide upon and how it works. John and Ryan.

  • Ann says:

    Hi, we are really struggling to choose a bed! We tried ones in John Lewis and liked their 1400 pocket sprung ortho, Kingsize, but found the price a bit steep. Would the Rest Assured Venice 1400 pocket ortho effectively be the same? We have tried and failed to find a shop where we can try the Rest Assured one out (actually, couldn’t find any with 1400). Will all beds with these similar specs feel the same?

    Many thanks for your help!
    Ann

    Hi Ann. The John Lewis 1400 Ortho is manufactured for them by Hypnos. With a retail price of £650 (KS: Feb 2013). The upholstery consists of “Rebound polycotton, blended polywool, Airstream polyester”. It is also a two sided mattress.

    The Rest Asssured Venice 1400 retails at <> £300 (various websites) and the most info I can find on this is the upholstery is made up of polyester fillings – also one sided. For this retail price it is as much as you can reasonably expect.

    In answer to your question they are not the same – the JL 1400 Ortho being the more superior built mattress – but .., you are paying twice the price for it.

    I personally would use the Venice (or similar) as the support and complement this with an amazing topper to give the comfort – and still come away with change.

    Even though you consider the JL price steep at £650 – it really isn’t that much for a KS mattress. However, if you do plumb for this, your money can be better spent elsewhere, giving you more mattress for your money. John and Ryan.

  • KA says:

    Hello, my wife and I recently slept on a Simmons “Delicatesse”? mattress. We were both impressed by the comfort. We have looked for the model without success. Is there a similar mattress you could recommend?
    KA

    Hi KA. I also did a quick search for this model and too unable to find any detail. It will be in your interest to contact Emma Thorpe at Simmons direct – no direct contact number but the email is
    [e.thorpe@simmonsbeds.co.uk]. All you need to know if this model is available in this country and what the specifications are. Once we know this we will be able to see if there are any similar equivalents.

    From past experience with Simmons it will undoubtedly be a foam / memory foam construction and obviously the crucial information you will need to know is the depths of each component contained. Please let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Jess says:

    I’m looking at a Crown posture bedding reflex latex king single mattress. Can you please give me your opinion of this particular brand? Thanks.

    Hi Jess. Not familiar at all with this brand. A quick search directed me to sites in Australia! As a sidenote, you should not be initially looking at brands but how the mattress is constructed. Only when you have about three similar models for comparison you then drill down to see who is offering you more. John and Ryan

  • Ree says:

    Looking for a king size divan bed. We looked at Harrison’s range, but then came across Staples, which are a bit cheaper. We both would rather a softer to medium feel mattress, with decent support as we both have iffy backs! The Staples bed we looked at was the Cleopatra medium, does this sound like a good choice or would it be better to look more closely at the Harrison? How does your Artisan Tailored Pocket compare?

    Hi Ree. The crucial part of all this is your question “..How does your Artisan Tailored Pocket compare?” If Harrison’s or Staples (or indeed any manufacturer) had the balls to detail the specifics of the specification rather than give a ‘none of your business attitude’ such as the appalling lack of detail proffered for the Staples Cleopatra ..

    Magnificent mattress with 1600 pocketed springs and upholstery that includes luxurious cashmere, bamboo, wool and cotton for enhanced breathability.

    .. you would be in a better position to do these like for like comparisons yourself.

    It is impossible to select a mattress based on a list of components without any reference whatsoever to the amount used. Unlike foodstuffs, it is not a legal requirement for manufacturers to detail the ‘ingredients’ of a mattress – but morally and ethically it is so wrong on so many levels.

    Key points to note on your purchase – at the very least – you need to know the combined upholstery weight (GSM = Grams per Square Metre). Looking at the mattress you refer to above, it does sound on the face of it quite a respectable build. However, what if you were to find out that the combined upholstery weight is just a paltry and fairly useless 1000gsm? You will have no reason to complain because the manufacturer has not stated otherwise.

    This brings me to looking for a mattress based on brand rather than content. In many cases, particularly on a low budget, it is a completely wrong tack. Lets say for example your budget is £1000. Your first course of action is to compile a list of similar products that fall within this price range. Secondly, you should investigate what the combined upholstery weight is for each product. This will show you instantly which product is offering you more mattress for your money.

    Finally Ree, use the specification we give on our Artisan Tailored Pocket as your benchmark. Your question about the comparison between this and the other models you mention should be directed to the appropriate manufacturer (Harrisons / Staples etc). Only when you have the relevant detail will you know which mattress is worth consideration. Hope this helps and please bear in mind that this is as much frustrating for us as it is you. It really shouldn’t be necessary for consumers to have to play Sherlock Holmes digging for detail that should be there in the first place. Please let me know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • Rima says:

    Hi,
    We are in the market for a new mattress for our new home. I am 7.5 stone and my partner 15 stone. At the moment we are considering Hypnos mattresses as I have heard very good reviews. We are willing to invest in a good night’s sleep and believe that Baroness or Viceroy could be our selection. However, we still have to try them.

    I would like to know if Hypnos is really good mattresses and would be a good investment. Should we be better looking at other brands, options or invest a little bit more to get something better? I would be most grateful for your advise. Rima

    Hi Rima. Looking at the models you mention indicates your budget is in the region of £1000 – £1400 for the Kingsize mattress. Also, taking into account that your partner is twice the weight of you, it will be unlikely that you will find a mattress with one spring tension that will be equally suitable for you both.

    I do think you are approaching this the wrong way. Hypnos is indeed a notable manufacturer, but so is Vi Spring and so is Harrisons. So who will be offering you the mattress that is most suitable for your needs? Even though you have in the region of £1500 to spend – not a great amount but neither is it under generous. I would use this as your starting point to see what models are out there and what they contain to make the mattress up as a whole.

    As you are planning to go round the stores I would be inclined to concentrate on Furniture Village or John lewis in order for you to assess what a good well built mattress feels like and the associated price you will be expected to pay. This will put your purchase into some sort of perspective. You need to know what constitutes a ‘good’ mattress.

    You will no doubt encounter (as you have probably read throughout this site) that detailed specifications are rarely given which tell you exactly how the mattress is made up. It is this information you need to know in order to come to an educated purchase decision. Be prepared to question retailers and manufacturers for this information.

    Hope this helps Rima. Please let me know how you get on. John and Ryan.

    2013/03/03 at 15:04
    Dear John and Ryan,
    Thank you for your advice. We went to a few shops yesterday and tried the mattresses they had. What a difference between Vi Spring an everything else! We fell in love with the Regal Superb and the Cliveden (one of the Vi Spring mattresses offered by John Lewis).

    The next best ones were the Signatory, the Shetland Superb and the Chatsworth. To my surprise we did not like the Herald Superb and none of the John Lewis’s Vi Spring bedstead mattresses except for the Marrister mattress. I also liked Tiara Superb, but my partner found it too springy.

    Looking at the mattress specifications I tried to identify what could be the reason why we like them. As far as I can see all of them either do not have a layer of horsetail or horsetail is blended with wool. Is horsetail the reason why the other mattresses felt less soft and comfortable?

    Also, does the bedstead makes the mattresses feel so much firmer compared to the divan what we did not like the feel of the majority of the Vi Spring bedstead mattresses or is it more to be attributed to the specification of the mattresses? We were thinking of buying a bedstead, but if divan has such a significant influence on the level of comfort, we would be willing to reconsider.

    Considering your mattresses, which one would you recommend to us? Could any of them offer similar feel and comfort to the Regal Superb or the Cliveden?

    Kind regards,
    Rima

    Hi again Rima. What’s the point of looking at mattresses that significantly fall outside your budget? the Tiara as an example retails in the realm of £6000 or so and The Signatory is in the region of £13.000 for the set. Your budget is £1500 or so. We say our Artisan Naturals (at around £1500 for the Kingsize set) is what we say is amongst the best you can get for this amount. Use the specification of this model as your benchmark 1) To double check what we say is true and 2) To see if there are further models within this price range that would suit your requirements any better.

    We do not say that our models are identical to Vi Spring models – what we do say is that these are the nearest equivalents to a particular model. Sometimes our specifications exceed comparable models, but it is up to you to make your final decision based on what you know.

    The Regal Superb is indeed one comparable model to the Artisan Naturals [Read Here]. The differences can be seen as negligible but knowing what those difference are will be enough for you to come to your final purchasing decision yourself. John and Ryan.

    2013/03/09 at 19:05
    Dear John and Ryan,

    The budget can always be increased if the investment is considered to be worthwhile. In my opinion investing in a good mattress for the next 7-10 years sure justify paying ‘a little bit extra’. I have to admit that this is our first experience buying a proper mattress and it was interesting to see what you can get out there. What more interests me is the understanding why some of the mattresses felt amazing and the other ones did not.

    I do appreciate your work providing so much information in this website which definitely changed my outlook in the whole buying process. However, I still lack that particular bit information which actually would help me to take a buying decision. You always say to look at the specification and decide what is better and if there are further models that would suit our requirements any better. However, what actually the specifications tell us? It is just some numbers and names of materials. How I should be able to determine if a model with or without horsetail would be better for me? There is now information how the materials compare with each other and most important what is achieved by including them, how it would feel at the end.

    As an example, the main differences between your Artisan Bespoke and Artisan Luxury is that one has 1000 gsm White Cashmere and 1600 Calico encased Pocket Springs and the another one 500 GSM Pure Wool and 1476 Calico encased Pocket Springs. So looking at this how should I determine which one would meet my requirements better? I really do not know.

    Coming back to my initial question, if the budget is not an issue, which one of your mattresses could offer similar feel and comfort to the Regal Superb? How different the feel would be and why (due to which materials)? Is divan essential if we are comfort seekers, which we seem to be?
    Thank you, Rima.

    Hi again Rima. Specifications are important to know in order for you to see where your money is going. If a manufacturer or retailer is not telling you this how on earth are you able to compare one model against another.

    The purpose of this site is to encourage readers to look into product descriptions more carefully and to come to an educated and informed decision based on what they find out. Comparisons should be done on a like for like basis in order for you to see what the shortfalls of any particular product are.

    Taking your question as the benchmark you ask which of our mattresses could offer a similar feel to The Regal Superb and why? You say you like the Regal Superb and the closest equivalent available as far as I know is our Artisan Bespoke 004 will be the closest contender and worthy of consideration. There is a price difference of about £1700 between these two models and once again it is up to you to decide whether the differences between these two models justify the retail price of The RS. I personally do not think so.

    I once again say that we do not offer identical models (either in overall build or feel) to any Vi Spring mattress. Doing side by side comparisons should enable you to decide which model to opt for and an informed compromise should be taken into account. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Liesl says:

    Hello….We are trying to decide between a Harrison and a Vi-Spring divan. We would like to purchase a mid to upper range bed but from our initial research it would appear that the entry level Vi-Spring bed is the same cost as a top range Harrison bed. Does that sound right?

    Why such a big difference? I see vi-spring are hand made but I’m not sure about Harrison, and whether or not it really matters if it’s hand crafted or factory made. Basically, £5,000 seems a lot for a bed and unless there’s a great perceivable difference over a £3000 bed I’m not sure I could persuade my husband to spend that much! Thanks

    Hi Liesl. Good questions but I do think they should be directed to Vi Spring and Harrisons respectively. Once you get their point of view and their justifications and re-post (with model names) I will be able to respond. John and Ryan.

    2013/02/27 at 14:49
    Hello again..l have emailed the companies to see if I can get details to compare like for like. I have this afternoon tested the John Lewis Vi Spring Chatsworth. I am wondering if you know why they would have their own John Lewis range? I.e. The Chatsworth is only available from JL. I have looked at the (few) details the JL Vispring pamphlet provides and I think The Chatsworth might be the same as the Regal Superb. Any idea if that’s the case, and why JL would have their own range?

    Hi again Liesl. Once again, it would be unfair of me to comment without you giving the aforementioned retailer / manufacturer the opportunity to explain direct to you first. They know their own products better than anyone and once you have their explanations you can then seek a second opinion to question their response. I must admit you are doing the right thing by not taking everything as Carte Blanch correct, and as absurd as it may seem, if you question the fine detail you will be less likely to make a mistake in your purchase. Let me know what you find out. John and Ryan.

  • desdiaz05 says:

    Hi,
    This website is very informative. Thanks for all the information. I am trying to get the mattress that comes with the Icon 2000 Prestige Divan Bed listed on http://www.carpetright.co.uk/icon-prestige-divanbeds.html or a substitute with better specification and cheaper price. Your advice will be highly appreciated.
    Des

    Hi Des. the fundamental design of this mattress is 7.5cm of memory Foam on a 2000 Foam Encapsulated Pocket Spring unit (FEPS) [Read Here]. As far as I am aware, The Icon Prestige is manufactured by Breasley for Carpetright and can be deemed as a similar construction to their own Salus core model. Once you find out what the density of the memory foam actually is (I guess it is in the region of 55 – 60 kg/m3) it will be easy to find similar models.

    Incidentally, we went around Carpetright last week (March 2013) doing our ‘secret shopper’ routine and were a bit taken aback at the WAS prices attached to the Icon range of beds. For example, on their Icon Superior model the 4’6 (Double) was retailing at £799 for the Divan set – but it had a ‘Our List Price’ of £1599. If this actually has a ‘worth’ of £1599. I would be so very interested to know how this can be justified. John and Ryan.

  • IS says:

    Hi,
    Could you please review DAPW mattress range in terms of value for money. Some of them don’t have vents (is it a big concern?)
    Thank you

    Hi Is. First of all we all love DAPW for the quality of their bedding and their prices. Over the years we have had toppers and bedding from M&S and a few other outlets and when we found DAPW – and everyone in the office has a topper from there – we can and do, reliably and confidently recommend this particular company.

    However … (you knew this was coming didn’t you?) I don’t think their mattress range is anything particularly special. I’m not prepared to list the pros and cons of each of their product range but suffice to say their speciality is in bedding – not beds.

    Finally, vents in a mattress should not be a concern whatsoever. It is unlikely that they contribute to a significant degree of ventilation. More ventilation is gained from the bellow like action through the mattress itself (as the user gets into and out of the bed) than any decorative vents. Hope this helps Is. John and Ryan

  • Lynn says:

    Hi, great informative website. Can you recommend a superking mattress for a slatted base from your website please. I have had a nightmare with two mattresses collapsing (one only 6 weeks sleeping time). Have battled to get a refund and want to get this right. I weigh 11stone and my partner 13 stone.

    We like medium support. Have seen your advice about mdf boards and a quilt/mattress topper for the base and will certainly do this. Do you now sell a mattress topper for this purpose yet? My budget for the mattress is £500 to £700. Hope you can help. Thanks

    Hi Lynn. We have now commissioned the manufacture of a mini pocket sprung undermattress. This will sit on your slats and emulates the benefits of a sprung edge divan. As soon as these come off the production line (about 2-3 weeks) I will email you.

    I’m actually quite intrigued by your recent purchases and would be grateful if you could supply a few more details.

    As a recommendation from our site I would say The Sequence Suspension would be more than suitable for you and your budget. This is however a well stuffed mattress and obviously when all pulled together creates a firmer overall tension. This does relax over time as it is broken in and no doubt will require a topper whilst this is happening and also to give you (at 11st) a little bit more cushioning.

    Please feel free to call the office and speak to Marie or Gary who will be able to advise further. John and Ryan.

  • Sally says:

    Hi,

    I asked a question on here on 30th January about latex mattresses. I just wanted to write a follow up. After the message I phoned and talked to Julie and Marie and discussed our options further. I decided on an Artisan Naturals kingsize mattress. It was delivered two weeks later by Mike (Operations Manager) because we live locally.

    The delivery was amazing. He was very helpful and cleared al the packaging away. Thanks Mike! We have now had the mattress for three weeks and I have to say that it is wonderful. We have had the best nights sleep that we have had in ages. My partner has had shoulder pain for years and that has now gone. As soon as I lie down on the mattress I am comfortable and it just makes me want to go to sleep!

    Thanks for this website and all your information. I have recommended it to everyone that I know and from now on we will only be buying our mattresses from you!

    Hi again Sally. I don’t think you understand how much of a ‘pat on the back’ comments like your’s lighten our spirits and we all thank you for taking the time and effort to do so. It must be obvious that our site is not as appreciated by ‘The Industry’ as it is by consumers – but eff em! Thanks again. John and Ryan

  • Chirag and Lucy (& Myah) says:

    Dear John & Ryan

    We are looking to replace our mattress which is giving me no end of back trouble. The current mattress is pocket sprung with a memory foam layer on top. It is this layer that is the issue as over the last four years it has sagged. I supposed its meant to conform to your body! However, I’m getting back pain as a result as I need support. We bought it from Bensons with little meaningful advice. In addition we have a 15 month old that regularly joins us in the middle of the night! Also, the memory foam makes us quite hot and sweaty at night – another unpleasant side effect we were unaware of when buying it!

    We have a bed stead with a sprung slatted base which is fine. We looked at the Dreams Sleepeeze Lincoln 3500. In the showroom it was on a divan, so I presume the firmness will be different on our slats. As usual the staff don’t give much meaningful help.

    We are looking for something like the sleepeeze Lincoln in firmness, but don’t have issue with brand snobbery, etc. I do find the prices in places like dreams rather excessive, as there seems no justification for the apparent ‘savings’ they advertise.

    Your insights and advice would be appreciated

    Hi Guys. The Sleepeezee Lincoln is currently retailing at £1429.00 [KS: March 2013] if you look at our Artisan Bespoke as a side by side PRICE comparison you will instantly see what your money should be getting you.

    Rather than going round Dreams / Bensons etc try looking at the Vi Spring models at places like John Lewis or Furniture Village. This will give you some idea of what a good mattress should feel like. Of course there is no doubt that the price tags will make you shudder a little bit, but at least you will know what to look for i terms of build quality and therefore have an easy exercise to find similar.

    As an exmple, the closest comparable model we have found to our Artisan Bespoke is thRegal Superb. By comparing the components side by side it becomes relatively easy to see whether any difference can be justified for the difference in price. Let me know what happens/ John and Ryan.

  • kay says:

    Hi,

    I have tried to read as much as possible from your website but am still indecisive.
    I am looking to spend a max of £500 on a kingsized mattress for myself ,5″6 , 11 stone, and my partner 5″10, 13 stone.

    I was interested in your Origins Comfort 1000 Kingsize and the John Lewis Pocket Comfort 1 Mattress, Kingsize for £399. I have also seen quite a few sealy beds within my price range but i didn’t pay that much attention as I had not yet come across your site!
    Our main sleep related issues are that I often wake up aching as I lay on my side but i assume this is due to our current mattress which is just a cheap silent night open sprung. I am also a big mover/tosser and turner and often drive my partner mad.

    Is the JL mattress comparible to your origins or just a cheapo version?
    Many thanks!

    2013/05/11 at 23:03
    Hi,
    Me again! I’m hoping to buy my mattress asap after doing a bit of bed shopping this weekend. I will try and give you guys a ring again on Monday.

    During my search I have also come across this bed: Millbrook Royal 1400 mattress for £432… the showroom is near me… its now a choice between this and your Origins Comfort 1000 I think so any info would be much appreciated.

    Thanks!

    Hi Kay. I can’t seem to find any relevant detail on this particular mattress to offer any kind of informed advice for comparisons. Perhaps you could ask the retailer of the component build of the Millbrook Royal 1400 we could do a comparison with our Origins Comfort. John and Ryan.

  • Julie says:

    I am looking for a single mattress for my elderly mother who suffers back, hip and knee pain. She currently has a memory foam topped, pocket sprung mattress that is around 5 yrs old and she feels it has lost it’s body and complains of pain every morning! She has a small budget of around £300 and I have seen a pocket sprung mattress with good reviews made by the British Bed Company. They seem tone related to Mattressman website and I am a little suspicious. What are your views and can you suggest something suitable for my mother, please?

    Hi Julie. You are right- British Bed Company is the manufacturing arm of Mattressman (also owns the Snuggle brand). Your budget of £300 is of course not overly excessive and I would be inclined to complement any mattress with additional toppers to give your mum the comfort / support she now requires. I would look at something along the lines of The Memory Pocket 1000 (£185) and supplement this with a topper from D&PW (Duvet and Pillow Warehouse) such as Ultimate Microfibre (£60).

    Not knowing your mum’s weight etc makes it a little difficult to specify further, however, I am going to assume she is not overly heavy and therefore the support of the above mattress will be satisfactory and the Memory Foam (albeit only 2.5cm deep) is a better comfort layer than a polyester layer (such as the Restapocket 1000 at a similar retail price). The topper will give your mum a better level of comfort rather than trying to find a mattress with all elements contained.

    Not sure if you have read the page on toppers but it is well worth reading here… John and Ryan.

  • Simon says:

    Reading this has got me thinking.

    We popped into Dreams the other day and kinda fell in love with their Sleepeezee Kennedy mattress.

    Then we found out that with it’s £1140 “sale” pricetag (for a kingsize) that Dreams possibly have beds rebranded and it could in fact be the sleepeezee backcare ultimate 2000 pocket mattress which can be found online for a mere £549 less than half of what Dreams are flogging it for.

    So having a look it appears they’re like Michael and Latoya Jackson, you can never find both in the same place.
    SO, in short, could these beds be one and the same just with a rebranded name or am I just seeing conspiracy theories ? and if so do you have something similar

    If you could let me know, I’d appreciate it.

    Thanks
    Simon

    Hi Simon. This made me laugh. Firstly, it is unlikely that these are the same models – but quite similar. The depth of the Kennedy is 29cm and the depth of the Backcare Ultimate is 25.4cm. If we assume that the spring height is same this means that there is an additional 3.5cm more upholstery in the Kennedy. But, as you say there is a price difference of about £500. It would make complete sense to opt for the Backcare Ultimate and complement this further with separate additional layers of toppers [Read Here] and have a much improved mattress for a lot less money.

    As for what we have? We always say start at our Artisan Tailored Pocket and work up or down to suit your budget. John and Ryan.

  • Lisa says:

    Hello,

    I have real trouble sleeping as my husband fidget’s in his sleep and me being a very very light sleeper I often only sleep for an hour or two at night time. I have tried several different mattresses now and I am having no joy at all. Each mattress I’ve tried Memory Foam or Pocket Spring I can still feel every movement my husband makes, even if he just moves his foot it feels like I’m on a water bed! I am looking at the Super king Zip and Link Mattresses as we currently have a Super king slated bed. Do you recommend these to couples? Would it help eliminate all movement from my husband even if the mattresses are zipped together. Please help with your advise.
    Thank you
    Lisa

    Hi Lisa. It sounds to me that you really are sensitive to the movements your husband makes. Generally, this affects people who are in too small a bed or the mattress is cage sprung. With you already in a Superking bed / pocket sprung it is unlikely it is the mattress at fault. I would suggest you look at your duvet. When your husband moves or turns it could be the movement of your duvet contributing to waking you up – particularly being such a light sleeper. Try two separate single or double duvets so you each have your own bedding. Very interesting comment Lisa. Let us know how you get on. John and Ryan.

  • sam says:

    Hi,
    Me and my partner are looking for a kingsize divan bed. We have previously looked at Sensaform 5000 £799 from Bensons. My partner suffers from back pain, can you recommend any decent divan beds out there on the market at the minute as we don’t understand all the jargon and to be perfectly honest don’t know where to start. price range 500-800.
    Many thanks
    Sam

    Hi Sam. We completely understand your frustration. This whole site goes into detail about the jargon and where to start. We appreciate it is a lot to take in but unfortunately, it cannot be said in a simpler manner.

    We are quite proud of our product range and will always advise you look at our models to give you a starting point. You can then use these as the basis of all comparisons. Spend a couple of hours flicking through these pages – the time you initially take doing this will serve you better than traipsing around the stores. John and Ryan.

  • Chris says:

    Hi guys, excellent website! After some research we have selected the Hypnos Orthos Cashmere Kingsize as our perfect mattress but the price tag is what is holding us back. Can you recommend something that is similar/almost identical – perhaps one of your own? Would be very grateful. Having constant back problems, and after just been on our hols and slept mostly in Premier Inn their hypnos mattresses gave me the perfect night’s sleep – having contacted Hypnos they said the orthos range was the closest – just so you know how we arrived at this choice. We’ve tested the 3 spring turns (6, 8 and 10) and the firmness was ideal – but preferred the 10 as it was a little softer.

    Hi Chris. In all fairness to Hypnos this is not overly priced (around £750). It makes sense that if this is the mattress you were happy sleeping on it should be the one you get.
    The specification is a bit scrimpy on detail with just “..Cashmere and Wool Filling with eOlus fibre” as the main description of upholstery content. eOlus fibre is polyester based and is a term used solely by Hypnos – therefore without knowing any pertinent detail becomes impossible to offer any alternative models. It would be good if you could find out the GSM of the Cashmere and Wool blend and also the GSM of the fibre. Please let us know if you find anything out and we will be able to comment further. John and Ryan.

  • Jon D says:

    Hi there, would you be able to give an idea of what would be similar to the John Lewis Natural Collection Silk 12000 Mattress? This was the best one we tried in John Lewis (we thought much better than all the others that were both cheaper and more expensive). But it’s £1800 and our budget is more like £1500 max. Thank you ,,,

    Hi Jon. The only mattresses that are of a similar ilk to the John Lewis Naturals (Harrison Spinks) are either Harrisons / Somnus core range – such as Somnus Supremacy Viscount 12000, or Somnus Marquis 12000 or Somnus Legend 12000 etc. Or The Harrisons Sapphire 12000. Or Feather and Black Byron (11000 springs)… These are the similar ones, but the downside is that they are all above your available budget.

    Without knowing your weights it becomes impossible to say whether the models you are looking at are the best options for your needs and requirements. As you now know the only difference between all the mattresses above will be just the upholstery elements. The spring variances on all Harrisons / Somnus mattresses are invariably the same. It is likely that whilst you were in John Lewis you tried many of Vi Spring models. These are more easy to get similar versions of but again, the increase in price becomes out of your budget.

    Based on the information we have so far, I would say The Artisan Bespoke 004 is among the very best you can get for this particular budget. Use toppers to complement this to suit your own requirements and you will be sleeping like a log for years to come [Read here as to why] . Also, see what £1500 can get you from Furniture Village / John Lewis / Dreams and Bensons. Knowing what your money can feasibly expect to get you will pay dividends in lost time. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Anna says:

    Hi

    My husband and I spent a weekend of trying out mattresses to replace the current one on our slatted base frame. In terms of our weights I’m 11 stone and hubby is about 15 stone. We narrowed it down to either the Richmond kingsize mattress from Dreams or the sealy rosebury pocket spring mattress, both of which seem unique to Dreams. I’ve tried google to see if I can find the same mattresses from a different supplier (I’m assuming the same mattresses are called different things by different retailers).

    Are you able to suggest any other options or names for these models from other retailers?

    Many thanks.

    Hi Anna. Lets see what you are up against;
    The Richmond Mattress (Dreams: Oct 2013: KS: £764.99)
    This is a basic two sided mattress. I have issue with the specification stating “Up to 1400 pocket springs and plush fillings of cotton and pure English wool offer you firm support with luxurious comfort for a great night’s sleep” I would want to know exactly what these plush fillings are. It is rare to see cotton used without the addition of wool (for the FR properties) I also would want to know what the supplementary fillings are – The specification only gives the key fillings. I would also want to know if Polyester / White Fibre etc is used within the mattress and if so what is the weight by GSM. I would also question whether the wool and cotton is blended with any other product (such as polyester).

    The Sealy Rosebury Pocket Spring Mattress – Firm: Dreams: Oct 2013: KS: £1099.99)
    This is also a 1400 pocket spring mattress but with latex comfort layers. On the description it tells you “.. Luxurious fillings include a deep layer of zoned latex for outstanding comfort and support meaning you’ll go to sleep quicker and stay asleep for longer..” I would want to know how deep this deep layer actually is? The description also states that “fillings INCLUDE …” What would the other fillings be?

    The quality of the latex isn’t up for question as it comes from the same supplier as ours (Latexco). Now, we use 6cm plus an additional spring insulator layer of HD foam – our Kingsized mattress is priced at £700 – See here.

    The biggest question we get asked is how people can buy a mattress off the internet without trying it out? This would be a viable question to an extent if mattress descriptions and specifications were as nonsensical and useless to the consumer as the Dreams examples above. The argument that these mattresses can be tried out instore also falls short if you consider the possibility that the answers to the few questions I pose above could be addressed with some degree of certainty by the sales staff. If you are able to get the answers from the questions I have posed above, we would all be in a better position to do basic like for like comparisons. Keep in touch Anna. Let me know if you can find out any of the detail. John and Ryan.

  • Rachel says:

    What a fab website – I hope you can help me! In the last 6 months I have been through a Sleeproom/Loaf firm mattress, which sounds like the biz on the website but was like a board (not nearly enough softness on the top), now an M&S 1250 Natural Collection in medium which is lovely and soft on top but is much too springy (I went too far the other way!), and another purchasing error will surely lead to divorce and no need for a Superking mattress at all!

    I just want something which is firm, so that we can’t feel each others movements too much, but nice and soft on top. We used to have a Hypnos Silver and that was perfect but then we upsized to a Superking and I can’t find it any more, unless there is something similar you would recommend. I see that Laura Ashley currently has a really good sale on its mattresses (60% off) – was thinking of the Eversham – but its impossible to test them because all they have in store is a square of about 0.5m square. Do you know if they are any good, how firm etc. It sounds pretty good with lambswool, silk etc but I don’t want to end up with soft springs again.

    Any advice welcomed!

    Hi Rachel. Sorry for delay in replying. If you are looking at The Laura Ashley Eversham because it fits into your available budget then I don’t think you will be able to get much better than this. It’s a basic one sided mattress (the silk and wool element will not be substantial and neither should you interpret this inclusion as something special (More than likely it will be in the region of around 300 GSM).

    There will be no doubt about it that you will have to supplement the mattress with at least one substantial topper to give you the comfort elements you require. John and Ryan.

  • Alison S says:

    My partner and I need to buy a new mattress to go on our superking bed which has a slatted wooden base. He weights about 13 stone and I weigh about 11 and half. We both sleep mainly on our sides. Our current mattress was an orthopedic one which proved to be too firm and we have used a 2 inch memory foam topper for a few years. The trouble is I suffer from nights sweats and the memory foam is helping with that. Plus my partner feels the cold badly. I have mobility issues from a neurological problem so the memory foam also makes it difficult for me to move around on the bed. My hips are hurting terribly because I can really only get comfortable sleeping on my left side. My budget is probably £1,500. Where should I start? I’m assuming pocket springs without memory foam is the answer. Thanks

    Hi Alison, I’m sorry to hear you’re struggling with your current mattress. Am I right in thinking you get too hot with memory foam? I’ll assume so and that your comment has a typo in it! Also many people complain that with memory foam they get ‘stuck’ once the foam has moulded to them, meaning its hard to turn. People may use the term ‘stuck in a rut as well’. The answer to this may lie in one of the newer more responsive hybrid foams such as coolblue or laygel.

    These don’t retain as much heat and are more responsive, ie return to their original position much quicker. The best foam though without a doubt would be a quality natural latex. It’s incredibly responsive and breathable allowing just enough sink before support. You can read more about latex here. Based on your weights and requirements I would advise that a medium mattress would be most suitable, please see the Hybrid 4, similar to the Tempur cloud if you want a hybrid mattress. If the heat is too much of a concern then I’d recommend a latex mattress such as our Fusion 3 n our John Ryan Contemporary range. I’m happy to discuss things further if you want to give us a call. Many thanks. Lee (John Ryan Contemporary)

  • Richard says:

    Hello again John,

    Despite your best attempts to save us money by advising the Origins Reflex, my Wife and I were too tempted by the description/specification of your Artisan Naturals.
    We ordered the Artisan Naturals mattress and divan base, thanks to Gary for his help and it was efficiently delivered and set up by your delivery guys just before Christmas.
    We have had the best ever six weeks of comfortable sleep on our new bed.
    We have been delighted by your Company’s professional, helpful and efficient service and would like to say a big thank you.
    5* Feedback left on Trustpilot.
    Very Best Wishes,
    Richard

    Hi Richard, Many thanks for your kind words we’re really pleased you’re so happy with your new bed. Our aim is to provide advice and products that simply can’t be beaten for quality and price. We will pass on your thanks to our team and again thanks for the positive trust pilot review of John Ryan- John & Ryan

  • Irene ryan says:

    Hi I’m having lower back and shoulder pain which seems to get worse when I wake up so think it might be time to change my mattress. I’m 5ft 3 weigh 10 stone. I went into ez living in dublin to try out their mattress and my favourite one was their respa luxury range with 5000 springs added latex, tufted structure it was medium firm and he said it was stuffed with wool and cashmere?? This was on sale at 900 euro, do u think this represents good value for money? It did feel quite comfy. It was kingsize 5ft mattress. Also do u specialise in pillows or is it just mattresses?
    Thanks Irene

    Hi Irene. I had a quick look at this and see that on their luxury range all the mattresses are just one sided affairs. This alone leads me to think that 900 euros is a bit pricy. A second consideration is that your bodyweight of around 10st does not require a great deal of support and so will 5000 springs be a bit too supportive for you. The third thing to consider is the statement “stuffed with ..” The only measure of “stuffed with ..” should be by gsm Read Here.

    Once you have this information you will be able to compare it to other models within a similar price range to see which offers you more mattress for the money. John and Ryan

  • Balliol Fowden says:

    Do you supply a clone of the Laura Ashley Queensbury double mattress (4′ 6″) please?

    Hi Balliol. Short answer – Not particularly. On the face of it our Origins Reflex is a far better purchase. The Laura Ashley Queensbury is a one sided affair with no indication of fill weights or specific content. If you are able to find out the component breakdown from LA for this particular model I will be able to do a more detailed side by side comparison for you. John and Ryan.

  • Anna says:

    Hi,
    Been reading you’re helpful responses, wondered if you can help me.
    I recently had a wonderful nights sleep on a Staples Madrid mattress and wanted to order the same. I am having problems finding it stocked anywhere. I’m assuming it’s been superseded by a new model?
    Do you know of an alternative but similar/ identical? Or whether I can find the Madrid stocked somewhere?
    Thank you in anticipation!
    Hi Anna, Like you I too have been unable to find this particular mattress and without being able to establish its composition, it is difficult to advise if there is an equivalent whether in the Staples range or our range. It may be prudent to contact Staples direct and seek clarification of both construction and similar models now being manufactured. Regards Mike.

  • John Morris says:

    I would like advice on best bed to buy.Currently have an expensive John Lewis Vi Spring bed but we cannot get a good night’s sleep.We roll together too much and I sweat.

    I weigh 17 stone and my wife 12 1/2 stone.Any suggestions.We are pensioners


    Hi John, before advising on a replacement mattress, I would ask that you confirm how long you have had your current mattress and what spring tension it is? Regards Mike.

  • james says:

    Hi I was just wondering if you know who makes beds for paul simon beds?. I saw advertised at what looks like a great saving as they are in administration, a luxoria laytex and 2500 poclket s[rung mattress with 2 draw divanve bass ( also 100o pocket springs) reduced to 750, do you think this is a goodbye please?, I cant seem to find who may make them, it says on the bed exlusive to paul simon british made.


    Hi James, we are unable to find any reference to this mattress and therefore are unable to advise further. Regards Mike.

  • Paula Wakefield says:

    Crikey…mattresses are a minefield! Hoping you can help, we have seen one we like. It at £1800 it’s more than we can pay really….

    It was a dreams opulessence resplendent, though the cheaper body response synergy came in a close second..

    Reason for change is our current sleepright 1500 silk seems to have given up the ghost after 7 years and I am struggling daily with sore hips and back despite only being 35!

    I’m about 11 stone, hubby is 14 and we require a superking..can you work your magic?


    Hi Paula,
    Crikey indeed!!! Having looked at the first of the mattresses your refer to, the Resplendent, I cannot see why anyone would pay that price given that it is just 7.5cm of memory foam on top of 2000 springs. The RRP was £2129,reduced to £1699 in the “sale” and as far as value for money is concerned, you may as well put the money straight down the drain. To put this into perspective around £2000 would get into the realms of the Vi Spring Herald Superb. I hesitate to make any recommendations in respect of our products without knowing your actual budget, so perhaps you could call Marie or Gary to discuss this and the options available. Kind regards Mike.

  • Michael K snelling says:

    Hi,
    We have been using a Seally, Posturepaedic, Ultra Luxe, Pillow Silk
    double mattress for a great number of years. We need to replace and would really like similar. It was a great mattress very, very comfortable in fact ideal for a ”bad back” sufferer like me. What is the ‘today’ equivalent.
    TIA


    Hi Michael, I have been unable to establish the construction and upholstery components of your current mattress and so cannot provide you with the name of an equivalent mattress in today’s market. Perhaps, you could contact Sealy direct and they may advise which of their current mattresses is an equivalent. We do not make any pillow topped mattresses. I am sorry I cannot be of any more help. Kind regards Mike.

  • Alex Jolly says:

    Hi
    I am looking at a Marks & Spencer Comfort 2200 mattress which is currently half price. They are not on display in stores – just online.
    Do you know who makes M&S mattresses and if they are good.
    It doesn’t say if this is a medium support bed. I have tried their Natural 1500 pillowtop and it seems quite comfortable.

    Please let me know if you have any information on the Comfort 2200.

    Thanks
    Alex

    Hi Alex, I understand that “Relyon” make the mattresses for Marks & Spencer and with this in mind, it may be worth looking at Relyon’s core range to see if there is anything similar. I note, however, that each of the mattresses you refer to have a pillow top. This is something which we advise against as it restricts the longevity of the mattress. In addition to the pillow top, there is no indication as to the level of upholstery contained within these mattresses, just a general indication of overall content. When purchasing a mattress, you should have regard to the upholstery contents and the GSM (grams per square metre) of that upholstery contained therein and this together with consideration of the body weight of the persons using the mattress and the overall feel required. I would suggest that you take a look at our Origins Pocket 1500 Kingsize mattress, which together with a separate topper would provide better value for money. I trust that this helps. Regards Mike.

  • AD says:

    Hello
    I tried various beds and my choice was going to be a John Lewis mattress (Natural Collection Yorkshire Wool 7000 Mattress) in Medium.
    However, I find it just a bit to soft while the Firm model .. is too firm.
    What suggestion you you have in your catalogue or as other alternatives?
    Budget of 2000£ for both mattress and divan true edge.
    Thanks!
    A

    Hi, unfortunately we do not have a comparison to the John Lewis Natural Collection Yorkshire Wool 7000 mattress as this is made for them by Harrisons and whilst there is an indication of fillings, the specific GSM (grams per square metre) of those fillings are not disclosed. Having said that we do not have a comparison, I would suggest that you take a look at our Artisan Naturals range, which is comparable to the Vi Spring “Regal Superb” at a fraction of the cost. Our Artisan Bespoke 004 has entirely natural components and we can also provide a true edge sprung base. Once you have viewed these on our site, please contact Marie or Gary to confirm your preference and body weights at which point they can answer any more specific questions you may have. I trust this is of help. Kind regards Mike.

  • R Lee says:

    I went to Stokers furniture shop today and found the hypnos belgravia mattress comfortable. It’s priced at £1000 or thereabouts. Do you have anything as comfortable for slightly cheaper? I weigh 10.5 stone and am 5ft 5 and my husband weighs 13 stone and is 5ft 9. Thanks


    Hi, We do not make any mattresses which are comparable to the Hypnos Belgravia or any other Hypnos mattresses. I have reviewed the item for sale at Stokers and note that there is no specific breakdown of the constituent parts of the mattress, making any indication of comfort nigh on impossible to provide without trying the mattress ourselves. I also note that this is a non turn mattress, which in our view, drastically reduces the mattress life. If you are looking to make a purchase in the region of £1000, I would suggest that you view the market place for a two sided pocket sprung mattress and you may wish to review the Artisan range on our site. If you find one that you think may suit, please contact either Marie or Gary at our office to discuss specifics in respect of price, tension and overall comfort. Hope this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • K Barrett says:

    Hi
    We are Yhinking of purchasing the Dura Balmoral 5ft divan bed
    Please advise what you have in your catalogue that is comparable to this bed, The price of this bed is £399-00

    Thanks for your assistance
    kind regards Keith

    Hi Keith,
    I have looked at the specification for the Dura Balmoral mattress and see that there is no specific breakdown of the constituent parts and this makes any comparison impossible. Before advising on whether we have a mattress suited to your requirements, we would need to know your body weights and an indication of the preferred feel needed. Kind regards Mike.

    Submitted on 2014/05/29 at 10:38

    Hi Mike

    Thanks for the reply. Details of body weight 1@ 12 Stone and 1@ 8stone
    and the requirement is medium to firm

    Many thanks
    Keith

    Hi again Keith,

    We do not make any mattress and divan base sets for the price of £399.00 and if this is the limit to your budget, we are unable to assist further, however, please contact Marie or Gary on our office number to discuss your requirements further and to establish the price of our most appropriate mattress and divan base set. Regards Mike.

  • Clint Manning says:

    Hi. Can you tell me what differences are between an Icon Solutions 2000 and an Icon Prestige 2000.
    Thanks.
    Clint

    Hi Clint, From what I can see both these mattress feature pillow tops which is something we don’t recommend, see our reasons here.

    The Icon solutions 1200 features some form of pocket springs but theres little detail on the gauge or tension so I can’t give any advice on the feel or quality of the springs. It is listed as a firm which would be the high density foam aspect. The Pillowtop layer is made of high density foam, found in sofas etc, again there is no density or hardness rating given. I would advise that you need to know these details to be able to compare or rate this mattress in terms of its components.

    I can’t find the prestige and so have looked at the nearest named model the Icon Solutions 2000 which again features unknown springs and gauges. It’s classed as a medium so would assume its springs are medium tension. It also features Viscoool which is some sort of foam, again composition unknown. We have a page on hybrid foams here to help arm you with some more information.

    What I would advise Clint is that you need to know far more details than these two models provide online. The main differences I can see are tension and the pillow top aspect. I would always advise against pillow top construction methods as they reduce the potential life of the bed. – Lee

  • kelly says:

    Hi just purchased a Relaxon Ruby mattress… not heard of that one before and can’t seem to google it ?

    Hi Kelly, I can’t find any details of the mattress either in our archives. There are a number of mattresses named ruby. If you can email me any specifications or details from the label then we maybe able to help. Lee

  • S Brown says:

    I am looking at mattresses at the moment and I have seen a “Hypnos Orthos Cashmere” for £750. I was wondering if you could draw a comparison to this mattress with your products?
    I presently have a “Supreme 1000 pocket sprung with memory foam” from Beds R Us in Bradford who I believe make their own?
    It is the second one I have had (they kindly replaced it when I complained about the first one being uncomfortable) but I never get a decent nights sleep and I always feel pressure/pain in my shoulders and hips and it just feels ‘lumpy’. It has put me off memory foam but I don’t know if this is justified a I know nothing to compare it with. I weigh between 14 & 15 stone and am 6 ft tall. My partner weighs around 9 to 9.5 stone and is approx 5ft 3.
    Thanks

    Hi Steve, Memory foam is definitely not for everyone, in fact there is a clear divide in the bed world between those that like traditional pocket sprung mattresses and those that like contemporary memory/latex foam mattresses. It sounds like memory foam is just not for you. The sensation between memory foam and traditional beds is also very very different. The former being likened to a slow deep / progressive sink feeling (sometimes like quicksand) and the traditional beds more of lighter sink and more responsive support feel (ie returns to its original position quicker than slow acting memory foams) some call this a more robust feel.

    We don’t have any direct comparisons for the cashmere model you have found as our beds are a different construction method, more likened to Vi-spring rather than hypnos that are fully turnable rather than ‘seasonal turnable’ like the Hypnos. The season turnable usually means one side has a slightly less warm side ie a wool side vs a reflex foam or cotton side. The difference in our experience is minimal and can actually result in a reduced bed life as you only turn it once a year and so settlement can occur faster than usual. We recommend you turn your mattress once a month to ensure the longest lifespan for your bed.

    What we would suggest is that you look at Vi-spring, one of the best mattress manufactures in the UK for comparisons. I also would ask you why based on your weight you’re looking for such a firm mattress as your partner will more than likely find this akin to sleeping on a concrete floor at their weight! I’d recommend you call us to discuss this further Steve. Thanks – Lee

  • Glen says:

    I have been reading on your website which is very informative while researching for a new mattress.

    I realise I need to go the pocket sprung route but not sure which one due to me being 6ft 3″ and 17st while my wife is 5ft 6″ and weighs 9 St ish.

    We currently have a king size Silent night miracoil mattress which is knackered to say the least. It is noisy and gives me lower back pain.

    I looked in Dreams at there pocket sprung, latex pocket sprung and a memory foam pocket sprung mattresess which is a sales setup and all were around the £650 mark. I am worried about the foam and latex dipping and making me too hot. Would pocket sprung with a topper be your preferred after reading some other posts.

    How would your equivalent mattresses compare to these as this would be a reasonable budget but I can push to more if it really does make the difference.

    Our current mattress cost £350 4 years ago which I know is money wasted now. I don’t want to make the same mistakes again.

    I would appreciate your thoughts


    Hi Glen,
    First of all I confirm that we are unable to advise which of our mattresses compare with those referred to and made or supplied by Dreams because, unlike us, full internal build specifications are not disclosed. Your current mattress, is sold as a medium feel mattress. Given the weight differential, the most appropriate mattress in our range is the Origins Pocket Reflex 1000, which retails at £445.00. This would produce a medium feel for you and firm for your wife, however, if you add a Laygel 5cm Topper from our sister site, John Ryan Contemporary , this will provide your wife with the medium feel and should have little effect on the feel for you. I trust that this helps, but if you have any further queries, please contact our office. Kind regards Mike.

  • Liz Woodhouse says:

    Interesting reading and would like to read some of the side pages too. Wondered for exam[le who makes John Lewis mattresses?? They seem to come up high in Which for example. I know who makes their washing machines for example. We have been recommended Hypnos by a few folk and found it comfortable in a recent B and B,, not Premier, although we’ve slept there once too. Not too many stockinsts locally I think.Husband had a back problem quite a lot.


    Hi Liz,
    The John Lewis Natural Collection is made for them by Harrisons, however, John Lewis do stock other brands such a Vi-Spring and some of those mattresses are made exclusively for John Lewis. I am unable to provide a recommendation regarding Hypnos mattresses as they do not publish any specifics regarding the internal constituent parts i.e. GSM (grams per square metre). I trust that this helps. Kind regards Mike.

  • Claire Raw says:

    Hi,

    What an amazing amount of information! We have a kaymed king size bed with pillow topper (ahhhh, now realise the error in this from your info!). Anyway we totally love it but they no longer make it and we want a superking bed now.

    Today we tried a few mattresses and liked the Somnus Connoisseur 6500 at £1650. This no longer appears on their website and I’m worried after someone commenting about a bad Somnus experience. Is this a reasonable choice and do you have a comparable mattress?

    Thanks!


    Hi Claire,
    I am glad that you found the information on our site about “pillow tops” helpful and that this has now directed you away from such mattresses.

    We are unable to advise whether this is a reasonable choice of mattress for you for two main reasons, firstly because we are unaware of your body weights, although the mattress is advertised as a soft to medium feel and secondly because there is no breakdown by way of GSM (grams per square metre) of the fillings. This second reason is why we are unable to provide a comparison to one of our mattresses. If you would like advice regarding the suitability of one of our mattresses, please let us know your body weights, preferred feel. You can do this by responding to this or better still, contacting either Marie or Gary at our office and they will be able to provide immediate advice. Kind regards Mike.

  • L Thomson says:

    My husband and I have been looking for a new mattress for some time and have finally found one which we both find comfortable – It’s a Harrison, Portofino, 4200 King size, Medium. Hubby weighs 14 stone and I’m 12 stone. However, we are very interested in your range of mattresses and I’d be grateful if you could let me know if you have an equivalent to the one we’ve seen.


    Hi,
    Unfortunately, due to the fact that Harrisons do not disclose the GSM (grams per square metre) details in respect of their fillings, we are unable to advise on a comparable mattress in our range. The large spring count in the Harrisons mattress is obtained by including layers of smaller springs. The mattress you have seen is also one sided, which will reduce the life span considerably when compared to a double sided mattress, which can be turned and rotated. All of the mattresses in our Artisan range are double sided and the exact breakdown of fillings for each is provided on our site. Please contact either Marie or Gary on our office number to obtain specific advice as to the suitability of these mattresses in terms of your requirements. I trust that this helps, Kind regards Mike.

  • Fern says:

    Hi guys

    After spending the best part of a day looking at mattresses and being utterly confused, I’ve just spent an hour browsing through your website and have learnt so much more than I did in any of the stores I visited!

    Myself and OH have decided that we probably need a new mattress after continually complaining of stiffness and headaches (though for me, I probably still need to find my perfect pillow match also).

    Our current mattress is probably about 5 years old, I’ve not a clue what brand, we weren’t very informed when we bought it. It just suited our price range and I was more interested in the nice bed frame. The mattress is one-sided with 50ml memory foam on top. To be honest, I’m not sure what’s underneath but I don’t think there are any springs. The bed frame has wooden slats (80mm) with a gap of (75mm). Ideally, we’d like to keep the frame.

    I’m around 55kg and have slightly weak bones due to chronic illness so often feel pressure around my hips and tension in neck / shoulder. The hubby is around 77 kg. I like to sleep on my side and he on his front.

    We visited ‘and so to bed’ where the advice was I should go for soft, my OH medium. After checking out a few, I wanted to just take a nap on the Vi spring Shetland there and then. I always thought I needed a firm mattress (why??!) and it was like a revelation lying on the Shetland.

    After that we visited John Lewis and found a few of their own range which seemed ok. Then we came across a Vi spring Marrister which appeared to be very similar to the Shetland and was on sale (the display model) at £1750. The sales guy then came along and said he’d give it to us for £750 – bargain! We weren’t sure as it was the display model but it seemed clean enough and were just about to go for it when we realised it was a kingsize – our bed frame is a double. Gutted.

    Anyway, back to drawing board and that’s when I came across your website. I wondered what alternatives you might suggest that meet our needs for a wooden slatted bed frame. In terms of budget, we’d probably not want to go above £1500. Also, I’ve been reading about slatted beds on your site and it looks like we’d probably benefit from putting something between our mattress and the slats?

    Thanks in advance.

    Fern


    Hi Fern,
    Although we do make some mattresses, which are comparable to some of the Vi-Spring range, we do not make a comparable to either the Shetland or the Marrister. The Shetland is predominantly a soft mattress, which supports the advice provided by And So To Bed. Our Artisan Luxury is comparable to the Vi-Spring Herald Superb and is the softest mattress we make. It has 1476 calico encased pocket springs, with a 1200g layer of Wool and Cotton, 1200g of Horsehair, 1200g of Horsetail sandwiched between two layers of 500g of Pure Wool. This can be made with a dual tension, one half soft for you and one half medium for your partner. This retails at £1525.00 for a King size and would be suitable for your slatted base. If you wish to try the comparable Herald Superb, these may be available in a Furniture Village store if you have one near you. For further advice on the suitability of this mattress for you, please contact Marie or Gary on our office number. Kind regards Mike.

  • Martin F says:

    Hi guys, i have a kingsize no turn durabed pashmina 1000 pocket sprung mattress which i think is medium, its around 5 years old now and i am now thinking of going for the sleepeezee backcare ultimate 2000 which is firm, is this a good mattress?, mattressman is selling it for £455, would you advise on anything different. i have weak bones and weight 9 st and partner weights 13st


    Hi Martin,
    I have viewed the published specifications for each of the mattresses mentioned, which are very generalised and do not provide specific GSM (grams per square metre) details of the fillings, making comparisons virtually impossible. If you are able to increase your budget, we may have a mattress to suit your requirements, however, in order for us to assist please call either Marie or Gary on our office number. Kind regards Mike.

  • Andrew Woodhouse says:

    Hey , I wounded if you can help we are looking to replace our M&S Mattress which is about 6+ years old. It says on label Open Coil ,325 Springs , Deep Top Layer Memory Form its King Size don’t know if its Firm or Medium but are looking at Relyon Memory Superior Ortho 1500 on Wedo Website about £539 or any advise you can give would be great


    Hi Andrew,
    I have tried to view the specifications of the Relyon mattress, but have to advise that these are so non-specific, it is impossible for us to advise on the suitability off this for you. I note you have not provided any details of your weight or that of any other person using the proposed mattress, which again is an issue when it comes to providing advice. We cannot provide a comparison for the Relyon mattress for the same reasons. Please contact our office to discuss your specific requirements and obtain the appropriate advice on the suitability of the mattresses in our ranges. You may also wish to view our sister site John Ryan Contemporary, where you will find a range of memory foam, hybrid foam and latex mattresses.Regards Mike.

  • Nicola says:

    Hi we are considering the Harrison’s spinks sirocco 9750 in medium as I like the idea of not having to turn and sinking into the topper. We are of small build 8stone and 12 stone. Someone had suggested the vi spring elite but I haven’t been able to test? It is a regular mattress that will require turning and has no topper. In terms of longevity do you think it is a better buy? Or can you suggest an alternative?
    Many thanks


    Hi Nicola,
    I note that the Sirocco has a pocket sprung box top above the main mattress and we would usually deter people from purchasing any form of mattress which has an attached top, usually described as a “pillow top”. This is because it means that the mattress is a non-turn and as a result this can reduce the longevity of the mattress when compared to a double sided mattress, which can be turned and rotated resulting in a more even distribution of weight from the user. We normally advise that if you do like a topper, it is preferable to opt for one which can be detached meaning that not only can it be fluffed regularly to retain the comfort, it can be laundered for hygiene purposes. In terms of a better buy, the Elite is likely to be the more economical in the long term. You may wish to consider a mattress from our Artisan range, some of which are comparable to some Vi-Spring models. I trust that this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • Sandra McKenzie says:

    Hi,

    My young daughter needs a replacement mattress for her double bed and she “loves” granny’s double mattress – iFusion Prestige 1200.

    This is no longer on sale (bought from the bed store within Carpetright, I think), but can you tell me an equivalent mattress please?

    She is in dire need of a new mattress and I would rather get her something than I know will be comfortable for her and give her a good nights sleep.

    Thanks in anticipation.

    Sandra McKenzie


    Hi Sandra, without knowing the details of the construction of the iFusion Prestige 1200, it is impossible to advise on an equivalent. Perhaps, if you call our office to advise specific body weight, preferred feel and budget, we may be able to advise upon a mattress from one of our ranges. Kind regards Mike.

  • Charlotte says:

    Hi

    I am really confused as to which bed to decide on.

    I have tried a ViSprung Herald Soft which feels like a dream but the price tag is a nightmare.

    The Linea range Hypnos 2800 pocket sprung pillow top Imperio 501 divan is also incredible.

    Finally the Somnus Leyburn 8000 pocket sprung felt incredible but is now sold out.

    These 3 beds are so expensive – I was hoping to find something like these without paying a small fortune. I am under 11 stone, I tend to sleep on my side and currently have problems with my shoulder blades due to the latest mattress being far to firm.

    Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks


    Hi Charlotte, Of the three mattresses you have detailed only one, the Vi-Spring Herald Superb has full details regarding construction and in particular, the level of fillings by way of GSM (grams per square metre). This makes providing a comparison impossible. We would not recommend any mattresses with a pillow top as these can reduce the longevity of a mattress due to the fact that when the top flattens it cannot be replaced and you will need to replace the whole mattress, an expensive exercise. Our Artisan Luxury is comparable to the Herald Superb by way of feel and contains 1200g more fillings. It represents excellent value for money and I would suggest that you contact either Marie or Gary on our office number to discuss your specific requirements before placing an order. I hope that this helps, regards Mike.

  • HelenM says:

    Hello,
    I came across your informative site searching about Harrison Spinks beds. I wonder if you could give me some advice please on what mattress to choose? I am just about 8 stone, female and 5′ 4″, I sleep in a double bedstead on a slatted frame by myself. I am currently trying to choose between 3 which are Vi-Spring Dartmoor Superb Mattress double £899.00 at John Lewis, John Lewis Natural Collection Cotton 3000 Mattress, Double £599.00 or NEXT 2000 Pocket Sprung Ultimate Natural Mattress double £675.00. The NEXT one seems to look quite good but may be rubbish? I like the feel of soft and cosy but still want my spine to be supported . I find if a bed is too firm parts (pressure points I guess) of me hurt /ache when I wake up as I don’t think I move about very much when asleep. I also don’t think I like deep mattress tufts as I don’t think I am heavy enough to not feel them, plus being a bit bony I can quite easily feel springs on a mattress too. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards


    Hi Helen, The Vi-Spring Dartmoor and the John Lewis Natural Collection mattresses are made exclusively for John Lewis. The Dartmoor contains pocket springs sandwiched between layers of British Fleece Wool, making this a particularly soft mattress even for your body weight. Unfortunately they do not disclose the specific details of the fillings (upholstery layers) in the Natural Collection, which is made by Harrisons, so it is difficult to make any informative comment regarding the quality and feel of this mattress. The same applies to the Next mattress.

    All the mattresses in our Artisan range are tufted, however, if you utilise a mattress protector, this should prevent you from feeling them. It is clear that with your body weight a softer feel mattress will be more suited to you, but with that softness you also require support. In order for us to provide the correct advice regarding the direct suitability of one of our mattresses, please call either Marie or Gary on our office number. Kind regards Mike.

  • PAUL says:

    Hello,
    I have come across your website and well I’m buying a mattress which to me is as nearly as bad as trying to buy a TV.

    I.e each manufacturer does so many variations it can drive you to distraction and leave a store more confused.

    Im a big big guy. I’m 5f 10 17 stone . I Suffer with my lower back (working on loosing weight) .

    I have looked at Harrisons and liked their beds. My current bed which is a relyon is 10 years old and it was a soft version but i seem to get a lot of back ache.

    Im torn between a normal mattress of medium firm and an orthopaedic mattress of firm build.

    My current choice is either the Hypnos Cashere orotho or Latex ortho … any advice please ..

    i do like a comfy bed but my back and supporting my spine is more important I’m a male and aged 47.

    Thank you .


    Hi Paul, There is bad news and good news. The bad news is that in respect of the mattresses you refer to, none of the manufacturers provide detailed information regarding the fillings and upholstery layers making any comparison or reasoned advice regarding suitability impossible.

    The good news is that you have found our site and we are adept at providing the right information to allow people to select the best mattress for them without any hyped sales pitches. It does not automatically follow that if you have back issues you ought to have a firm or orthopaedic bed. There are several considerations which we make when advising on the suitability of a mattress and they are body weight, preferred feel and budget. I note you have advised your weight, preferred feel is more vague because of your back issues and budget is probably higher end as you are looking at Hypnos. Please call either Marie or Gary to establish the best mattress in our ranges to suit your requirements. Kind regards Mike.

  • Derek says:

    Achica are offering mattresses on their website, called Handcrafted Collection. They claim the mattresses are made exclusively for them in Somerset. Do you know by which company?


    Hi Derek, We are unaware of who makes this collection for Achica, although Vi-Spring are based in Plymouth but have a manufacturing base in Somerset. Regards Mike.

  • John says:

    Hi gents
    I’m really impressed by the knowledge and openness behind your website. It inspired me to try and find out about the GSM of the John Lewis mattresses we have been looking at – my girlfriend likes them and I quite like the idea of bying from a company without shareholders. We’re both quite light (haven’st stepped on the scales lately, but 12 stone-ish I guess?). I was looking at the pocket ortho 1200 or natural collection hempure 3000 at 150 quid more. Both are made by Harrison Spinks it seems so I called their offices as John Lewis didn’t know the GSM of the padding.
    Surprise, surprise Harrison Spinks said the ‘MD has decided not to give that information out’. Really makes me angry that they should expect me to cough up 500 quid and not to tell me what I’m buying.
    Have you ever heard of ‘hempure’.
    Do you have any idea how these compare to your Origins range?
    thanks


    Hi John, I am not surprised at the response you received from Harrison Spinks, in fact, it seems to be the normal response from the majority of mattress manufacturers. Although ourselves and Vi-Spring are quite open and disclose full details, including the GSM, of all the upholstery fillings used. I have googled “Hempure” and just get bounced back to the John Lewis Natural collection, however, after a bit of manoeuvre, I found a description “With its excellent properties for absorbency and strength and because it is grown without the use of pesticides, it is a natural and greener alternative to the oil based polyester fibres used in many mattresses”. Other than this, I am as in the dark as you.

    With regard to comparison to our Origins range, I am afraid this is impossible due to the lack of detailed information provided by them. What I would say is that, given your body weights, the Origins Pocket 1500 would provide you with a medium feel. I hope that this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • Ally says:

    Hi Guys,

    How refreshing to find a website with good information about the bed and mattress market which is a total minefield.

    We have a Hypnos Orthos Cashmere mattress and want to buy a new divan base. Naturally I want to buy a Hypnos base (with drawers) and understand that it should be a non-sprung base type as that is what the mattress is designed to be used with. A local store I visited suggested that I could save some money and buy a Harrison non-sprung base for £150 cheaper than the Hypnos base. Will there be any differences in build quality or padding on top of the divan base between the two companies? What would you advise as I have no idea? Thank you.


    Hi Ally,
    I am afraid that, as neither manufacturer provides specific build and construction details, it is impossible for me to advise on any differences. However, if you contact each manufacturer direct they may provide you with more information, which will then enable you to make a more informed choice. Kind regards Mike.

  • salmonpool says:

    hi,
    we thinking of buying a shakespeare serenity bed, pocket sprung 3000, cost roughly £600. do they make good beds? is this good quality for the price?

    thanks


    Hi, It is impossible to provide an opinion upon the quality of another manufacturer’s products when the details provided in respect of the construction and fillings is so vague. What I would advise is that, before making any firm decision upon such a purchase, you press the retailer to provide you with more information regarding the levels of upholstery used by way of GSM (grams per square metre), although I am aware that very few manufacturers provide such information. If you compare your purchase of a bed to that of a new car, you would not buy a car without knowing the specifics regarding performance and more importantly, what is under the bonnet. I hope that this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • Val says:

    Hi please can you help
    I have a John Lewis natural collection 4000 that has developed a fault.
    I purchased this mattress from a John Lewis outlet, they have have offered me a replacement of either a John Lewis natural fleece wool 6000 or Vi Spring Apsley mattress, which would you say is the better option? I of course have to pay the difference, which I am happy to do
    Thank you


    Hi Val,
    It is difficult to provide you with any firm advice as to the most suitable of the two replacements that you have been offered because there is no specific detail available regarding the upholstery layers used in both of them. The Natural Collection is made for John Lewis by Harrisons and the Vi-Spring Apsley is made exclusively for them. Both of these manufacturers are reputable and make excellent products. The things to consider when opting either for an initial purchase or a replacement, is your body weights and preferred feel and you should question the sales staff with regard to how each option will comply your requirements. I trust that this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • Iain says:

    Have been looking at 2 mattresses both around £500.00.

    1. Sealy Appleton
    2. Hypnos Pocket latex Supreme

    Do you know which one of these is better as both are pocket sprug latex mattresses?

    Thanks


    Hi Iain,
    As you are probably aware, the description of each of these mattresses does not detail the grade of latex used and in the case of the Hypnos, the description of the other materials used is vague in terms of detailing the quantity used. This lack of information, together with the fact that you have not disclosed your body weight, makes any form of recommendation impossible. Regards Mike.

  • gillian ross says:

    I was looking at the
    amor foam encapsulated pocket sprung mattress at their shop, £329 for a single mattress, it was very comfy and also the
    Comfy Support Mattress Express ay Bensons for £149,
    which do you think is better (I know which one), but is there an alternative for the Amor slightly cheaper, my weight is an issue as I am a larger lady and do you think the one at Bensons would be suitable.

    await your reply, cheers


    Hi Gillian,
    I cannot find a description of the Amor foam encapsulated pocket sprung mattress, which makes providing any opinion impossible. With regard to the Comfy Support Mattress Express, I note that this is a foam only mattress and does not contain any encapsulated springs, hence the reduced price. Without knowing the body weight of the user of this mattress, I cannot comment save to say that it is a very cheap(price) mattress and to coin a phrase ” you get what you pay for”. Kind regards Mike

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