Comments on: Layers and Fillings http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk/waddings-layers-and-fillings Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:51:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Kenny kent http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk/waddings-layers-and-fillings/comment-page-1#comment-9948 Kenny kent Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:46:41 +0000 http://www.celebrity-big-brother.com/?p=394#comment-9948 Hello John and Ryan how are you My response to your advise is not going to be interesting because I am still very confused and there is no easy way to find out if bedmakers are deceiving toward their customers and cheating. I was hoping you can tell me, on your website you have put the hypnos Sandringham one of the best beds in the world would hypnos cut corners with the filling for their top beds? Every bed maker nowadays that build these mattresses won't supply this information whether it's hypnos savoir or dreams or vi spring I live in London I tried and asked all the big department stores and internet retailers yet all of these people just say we can't tell you because either they don't know or it's a trade secret your right it's scandalous. It's like going to an off licence and buying a bottle of whiskey and when you ask how much whiskey in the bottle ooh we can't tell you because you might be a competitor trying to steal our ingredients. Like you said if someone was going to steal the secrets of making beds surely it would be better to buy the bed and open it up and see exactly how it's made and put together. So this bed I have put a deposit on the only ever way I could find out if hypnos has been stingy and cheating on amounts of fabric is by opening the mattress up which would be a waste of money and I will feel hurt and depressed. You mentioned a bed which you opened up and there was hardly any natural fibres inside something like 50gsm please tell us which brand this was please. There should be a regulating body which should be telling bed makers to tell the customer exactly how much natural fibres inside and what percentage is mixed up something like a garment care label... Thanks for your ultra speedy response look forward to hearing from you it's getting messy with this mattress minefield out here, one last question would the royal warrant holder hypnos be cutting corners on their Top mattress range yes or no because I really don't wasn't to be opening a mattress I buy to see what's really inside. <font color="maroon">Hi Kenny, First of all I want to make it clear that the models mentioned on the post you refer to are NOT models that I recommend. It was done with the intention to show you that the retail prices commanded for such models are in the realms of fantasy, but it does give you an indication of the quality of build you can expect for such silly prices. Like you say, short of cutting up the mattress, or for a manufacturer to actually state the quantities of fillings used in any particular mattress, it is impossible to say with any degree of certainty the weight of fillings used. It is so wrong that a response of 'We can't [we wont] tell you the quantities used'. Legally, a specification listing can be as vague as 'Contains wool' and as absurd as it seems this can quite rightly and legitimately refer to to a single woollen tuft. Kenny, we thoroughly understand your frustration. Currently there is nothing we can do to allay the fears you have. This site was put together to encourage you to question the detail from all manufacturers. We know through experience that manufacturers will not disclose the weights because pure and simply it will be all too apparent that for years upon years consumers have been misled, mis informed and totally and utterly deceived. The only way this situation can be resolved is by consumers phoning the manufacturers direct and specifically asking these particular pertinent questions - How Much ..? I must admit that Vi-Spring have always been quite open about their component weights and that makes them stand out from the rest. Hypnos, as the crux of your concern, details at length the qualities of their spring supports but fails at great length about the qualities of the component upholstery. My initial question would be 'What are they trying to hide ?'. Sorry we can't be more forthright at this time, but we really do appreciate your comments. John and Ryan. Hello John and Ryan how are you

My response to your advise is not going to be interesting because I am still very confused and there is no easy way to find out if bedmakers are deceiving toward their customers and cheating. I was hoping you can tell me, on your website you have put the hypnos Sandringham one of the best beds in the world would hypnos cut corners with the filling for their top beds?

Every bed maker nowadays that build these mattresses won’t supply this information whether it’s hypnos savoir or dreams or vi spring I live in London I tried and asked all the big department stores and internet retailers yet all of these people just say we can’t tell you because either they don’t know or it’s a trade secret your right it’s scandalous.

It’s like going to an off licence and buying a bottle of whiskey and when you ask how much whiskey in the bottle ooh we can’t tell you because you might be a competitor trying to steal our ingredients. Like you said if someone was going to steal the secrets of making beds surely it would be better to buy the bed and open it up and see exactly how it’s made and put together.

So this bed I have put a deposit on the only ever way I could find out if hypnos has been stingy and cheating on amounts of fabric is by opening the mattress up which would be a waste of money and I will feel hurt and depressed. You mentioned a bed which you opened up and there was hardly any natural fibres inside something like 50gsm please tell us which brand this was please. There should be a regulating body which should be telling bed makers to tell the customer exactly how much natural fibres inside and what percentage is mixed up something like a garment care label…

Thanks for your ultra speedy response look forward to hearing from you it’s getting messy with this mattress minefield out here, one last question would the royal warrant holder hypnos be cutting corners on their Top mattress range yes or no because I really don’t wasn’t to be opening a mattress I buy to see what’s really inside.

Hi Kenny, First of all I want to make it clear that the models mentioned on the post you refer to are NOT models that I recommend. It was done with the intention to show you that the retail prices commanded for such models are in the realms of fantasy, but it does give you an indication of the quality of build you can expect for such silly prices.

Like you say, short of cutting up the mattress, or for a manufacturer to actually state the quantities of fillings used in any particular mattress, it is impossible to say with any degree of certainty the weight of fillings used. It is so wrong that a response of ‘We can’t [we wont] tell you the quantities used’. Legally, a specification listing can be as vague as ‘Contains wool’ and as absurd as it seems this can quite rightly and legitimately refer to to a single woollen tuft.

Kenny, we thoroughly understand your frustration. Currently there is nothing we can do to allay the fears you have. This site was put together to encourage you to question the detail from all manufacturers. We know through experience that manufacturers will not disclose the weights because pure and simply it will be all too apparent that for years upon years consumers have been misled, mis informed and totally and utterly deceived.

The only way this situation can be resolved is by consumers phoning the manufacturers direct and specifically asking these particular pertinent questions – How Much ..? I must admit that Vi-Spring have always been quite open about their component weights and that makes them stand out from the rest. Hypnos, as the crux of your concern, details at length the qualities of their spring supports but fails at great length about the qualities of the component upholstery. My initial question would be ‘What are they trying to hide ?’.

Sorry we can’t be more forthright at this time, but we really do appreciate your comments. John and Ryan.

]]> By: Kenny kent http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk/waddings-layers-and-fillings/comment-page-1#comment-9925 Kenny kent Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:52:04 +0000 http://www.celebrity-big-brother.com/?p=394#comment-9925 hello John how are you I have found your site immensely helpful and informative and I do follow your advice vigorously well I try to my problem is... The advice you give about natural fibres such as cashmere and any other hair and other luxury fibre is to always ask the depth and weight of the fibres which I do but I get the reply you might be a competitor trying to steal our details of how to build bed like ours which I find very very strange to say to a customer. Hypnos bed makers are worst when it comes to this they are more secretive than MI6 they won't tell me how much cashmere would be in Sandringham or whether it would be mixed with other fibres such as silk and cotton or the spring count on their new ultrasens pocket spring system. What do you think should I trust them because they have a royal warrant and they won't cut corners, this bed would be of high quality and specification with generous amounts of natural fibres. On you're website you have also tipped the Sandringham as one of the best beds in the world. If the hypnos brand was more transparent it would be better it would also mean I can go for any bed in their collection because I think the st James is more reasonable for me and I have found one for 2090 pounds including the base with 4 draws so not bad price for a double but I dint know if hypnos would make my bed with enough of the natural fibres to make a difference or if it's just a easy of getting more and giving less to customer help me mate please.. Many thanks Ken <font color="maroon">Hi Ken. That's absolutely scandelous. What other product are you willing to hand over two thousand quid for without knowing what you are getting? I recently answered a comment similar to yours <a href="http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk/about-spring-edging" rel="nofollow">[read here]</a> where the customer was told that the contents are a trade secret !! Unbelievable. If a manufacturer wanted to copy a mattress all they would have to was to buy one, so their argument of a competitor trying to steal the details is baloney. Ryan and I have recently come across 'evidence' of a blended pad being used by a major manufacturer with a specification that lists Cashmere, wool, mohair and fine horsehair. When listed in a specification [without GSM weights] you would think that that this was the finest mattress ever made. In reality, you would think twice about using it as shoe sole inserts. The percentage of horsehair used (as an example) was in the region of 5 and ten percent [equivalent to about 50grams] we will be expanding on this with photos when our new website is launched in a few weeks. The point of this, and the reason why you really should ensure you know what you are buying, is that there is currently no legal requirement for manufacturers to tell you the quantities used. They can list all sorts of stuff on the specification, but the actual quantity in your mattress can be as little as one useless gram. Knowing what I now know after five years or so delving into this completely secretive world, I personally would not take the word of any manufacturer to assure me that just because a component is listed, it would be in a quantity that makes a viable contribution to the actual build. Vi-Spring, as a direct competitor to Hypnos is only one of a handful of manufacturers who list their components by GSM. Although, of late this plattitude seems to be falling by the wayside. Your comments on our reply would be very interesting. John and Ryan. hello John how are you

I have found your site immensely helpful and informative and I do follow your advice vigorously well I try to my problem is…

The advice you give about natural fibres such as cashmere and any other hair and other luxury fibre is to always ask the depth and weight of the fibres which I do but I get the reply you might be a competitor trying to steal our details of how to build bed like ours which I find very very strange to say to a customer.

Hypnos bed makers are worst when it comes to this they are more secretive than MI6 they won’t tell me how much cashmere would be in Sandringham or whether it would be mixed with other fibres such as silk and cotton or the spring count on their new ultrasens pocket spring system. What do you think should I trust them because they have a royal warrant and they won’t cut corners, this bed would be of high quality and specification with generous amounts of natural fibres.

On you’re website you have also tipped the Sandringham as one of the best beds in the world. If the hypnos brand was more transparent it would be better it would also mean I can go for any bed in their collection because I think the st James is more reasonable for me and I have found one for 2090 pounds including the base with 4 draws so not bad price for a double but I dint know if hypnos would make my bed with enough of the natural fibres to make a difference or if it’s just a easy of getting more and giving less to customer help me mate please..

Many thanks
Ken

Hi Ken. That’s absolutely scandelous. What other product are you willing to hand over two thousand quid for without knowing what you are getting?

I recently answered a comment similar to yours [read here] where the customer was told that the contents are a trade secret !! Unbelievable. If a manufacturer wanted to copy a mattress all they would have to was to buy one, so their argument of a competitor trying to steal the details is baloney.

Ryan and I have recently come across ‘evidence’ of a blended pad being used by a major manufacturer with a specification that lists Cashmere, wool, mohair and fine horsehair. When listed in a specification [without GSM weights] you would think that that this was the finest mattress ever made. In reality, you would think twice about using it as shoe sole inserts. The percentage of horsehair used (as an example) was in the region of 5 and ten percent [equivalent to about 50grams] we will be expanding on this with photos when our new website is launched in a few weeks.

The point of this, and the reason why you really should ensure you know what you are buying, is that there is currently no legal requirement for manufacturers to tell you the quantities used. They can list all sorts of stuff on the specification, but the actual quantity in your mattress can be as little as one useless gram.

Knowing what I now know after five years or so delving into this completely secretive world, I personally would not take the word of any manufacturer to assure me that just because a component is listed, it would be in a quantity that makes a viable contribution to the actual build. Vi-Spring, as a direct competitor to Hypnos is only one of a handful of manufacturers who list their components by GSM. Although, of late this plattitude seems to be falling by the wayside.

Your comments on our reply would be very interesting. John and Ryan.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk/waddings-layers-and-fillings/comment-page-1#comment-147 Sarah Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:34:31 +0000 http://www.celebrity-big-brother.com/?p=394#comment-147 Dear John, I have found your site immensely helpful and informative but have a couple of questions: I have had a superking pocket sprung mattress for 20 years ( I know, scandalous for not having changed it earlier!!) but have loved it as it has given great support and does not ever get hot like some mattresses I have slept on. However it now needs replacing and due to space requirements in new house I have decided to go for a zip and link option. I found the comments advice regarding the JL mattress helpful but wonder if you could give advice on the ‘heat’ properties of the Origins 2000 as I note that the contents are primarily synthetic and foam is used. <br><font color="maroon">Hi Sarah. All mattresses in this price range and a large percentage above this price range will contain a fair element of polyester as the primary wadding component. To enhance this layer further, additional wadding components are often added such as wool, cotton, memory foam, latex and so on and therefore the price increases. It really is not posible to find a mattress below £800 which uses 100% natural fibres.<br> The foam in the mattresses are used as a bridging layer above the insulator pad to prevent the polyester above compressing prematurely. <a href="http://www.factory-beds-direct.co.uk/more-about-polyester" rel="nofollow">Read more .. </a><br> There will be no undue heat element in this mattress as the foam layer is beneath the polyester and the wool layer. Hope this helps. John. Dear John,

I have found your site immensely helpful and informative but have a couple of questions:
I have had a superking pocket sprung mattress for 20 years ( I know, scandalous for not having changed it earlier!!) but have loved it as it has given great support and does not ever get hot like some mattresses I have slept on. However it now needs replacing and due to space requirements in new house I have decided to go for a zip and link option. I found the comments advice regarding the JL mattress helpful but wonder if you could give advice on the ‘heat’ properties of the Origins 2000 as I note that the contents are primarily synthetic and foam is used.

Hi Sarah. All mattresses in this price range and a large percentage above this price range will contain a fair element of polyester as the primary wadding component. To enhance this layer further, additional wadding components are often added such as wool, cotton, memory foam, latex and so on and therefore the price increases. It really is not posible to find a mattress below £800 which uses 100% natural fibres.
The foam in the mattresses are used as a bridging layer above the insulator pad to prevent the polyester above compressing prematurely. Read more ..
There will be no undue heat element in this mattress as the foam layer is beneath the polyester and the wool layer. Hope this helps. John.

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